Russian Cloud Punchers - A Tad Overenthusiastic

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Mr_Fingerz, Jul 10, 2009.

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  1. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer (c) Auntie @ the Bee Bee Cee

    It would appear that the Russians don't like talking to each other, let alone anyone else, and that's the main reason why they shot down so many of their own planes when they had their spat with Georgia last year.
  2. Well at least they were effective...all be it with the wrong planes. :twisted:
  3. Is it just because I'm about to go to Ruski that it keeps appearing in the news. Front page of the BBC, 'UK should get tough with Russia', Obama etc.

    The 2nd Cold War will kick off when I'm stuck in Moscow, most likely.
  4. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

    Yes, but the 3rd Shock Army are miles away from the Inner German Border, the rest of the Russian armed forces are in shoite state, so FEBA will be on the Russo-Polish border. Which might just give us time to re-constitute BAOR (Oh look the pigs are all lined up and ready to take to the air), and therefore the second cold war......

    I'll shut up now, I clearly haven't had enough to drink.
  5. As for the article written by mr.Barabanov that attracted attention of BBC then it contains rumours and allegations and its value is about zero.

    As for the article in BBC then

    It is a big question how American and British armies would fare against a bigger, better-armed enemy than in Serbia, Afghanistan and Iraq. In Iran for example.

    As for Russian army then don't worry and don't try to test Russia's defense.
  6. Interesting comment Sergey. I attempted to get into the site of the Organisation in question in Moscow and found that could access what looked like some interesting articles - for around 200 USD per annum 8)

    I rather suspect the good Mr Barabanov has found a good way of making some foreign currency.
  7. msr

    msr LE

    We didn't exactly cover ourselves in glory the last time we took on the Serbian army...
  8. It was well known at the time the Russians were having deconfliction problems as both sides were using the same aircraft.

    The Georgian War was a wonderful learning experience for the Russian Armed Forces. For 70 years they've never had a chance to put their forces up against western trained forces to compare like with like and see what works and what doesn't – Georgia changed all that.

    The Georgian Armed Forces were trained by and largely followed US and Israeli doctrines. The Russians were able to learn some very valuable lessons that they have now wriiten into the plans for a restructuring of their armed forces and they will get a serious step change in capability from it.

    Professional troops are far more effective than conscripts. The Russian Paratroop forces are pretty much all professionals and were much more combat effective than conscripts troops. Russia has accellerated it's plans to translate to an all professional Army.

    Command and control. The current top heavy Officer Centric command system is great for steamrollering countries but not so good for less high tempo warfare. The Russians are getting rid of huge swathes of Officers and greatly expanding their NCO corp to provide more operational flexibility at the Platoon and Company level.

    IFF and deconfliction. The widespread use of the same gear by both sides caused a number of Blue on Blues and they have significantly improved their IFF protocols as a result.

    The also learned the need for UAVS and have bought an example of each of the Isralies best to reverse engineer. They also found they needed more NVG's and section level GPS - they are buying that stuff COTS from the West as we speak.

    In ten years time we will no longer laugh and sneer at the Russians military forces.