Russian Air Show a Complete Farce

#4
Sounds typical of Russian doctrine. Put all the money in the guns, who the hell needs air conditioning. Heatstroke is for wussies.
 
#5
Russia wants to take more than 10 percent of the world market for civilian aircraft with a host of new airliners, but none of the planes are yet ready, and none were shown at MAKS.
It's a reality. There are plans but their realisation is in progress. 10% taking into account size of Russian economy is not bad at all. But it requires time.

And I suppose that the plans are realistic.

Andy, maybe you have head about Dreamliner Boeing 787. What is the weight of parts in the plane made in Russia?

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/08/21/2877706.htm

U.S. giant Boeing Co. and Russian titanium producer OAO VSMPO-Avisma have signed an agreement creating a joint venture to make titanium forgings for use in the production of the U.S. giant's 787 Dreamliner jet, Russian news agencies reported Tuesday.

Announcements about the deal came on the first day of Russia's International Aviation and Space Show
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each Dreamliner will contain more than 20 tons of parts produced by VSMPO-Avisma
http://www.kcn.ru/tat_en/science/ans/journals/rasj_cnt/05_2_10.html

Russian engineers took an active part in creation of Boeing 787 nose section which was produced at the company's plant Spirit Aerospace in Wichita, Kansas at the end of August 2005. On the whole Boeing Company Engineering Center and Russian partners in framework of the program have very ambitious tasks. Russian specialists project pylons, some elements of undercarriage, ground equipment for plane services, elements of tooling. They also solve the problems concerning information technologies and are involved in projecting the systems of new airplane.
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Test in Central Institute of Aerohydrodynamics (CIAH)

An opening ceremony of test plant made for Boeing 787 fuselage elements testing took place in the middle of August 2005 in CIAH. In a few days after it a group of CIAH specialists started the test of fuselage panels made of composite materials. The fact that these tests were held in Russia was extraordinary for several reasons. Firstly, CAIH got a rather profitable order (federal aeronautics agency NASA also was among those who wanted to get this order). Secondly, specialists from CIAH constructed the test plant and suggested a test plan. Finally, the knowledge and experience of CIAH specialists allowed Boeing Company to expect a qualitative testing of the panels.

Tests in CIAH play an important role in creation of Boeing 787 airplane. It is sufficiently to say that these panels are being tested at a similar test plant in Everett, Washington, at the same time because it is necessary to finish this work rather quickly.
 
#6
Remind me in a couple of years never to travel in a Dreamliner older than 5 years: russian metal forging is crap at the best of times, though in defence of the russian metal industry, you get exactly what you pay for.
 
#7
ghost_us said:
Sounds typical of Russian doctrine. Put all the money in the guns, who the hell needs air conditioning. Heatstroke is for wussies.
Wlobal warming... maybe.

Ghost, Russia is mainly a Nothern country. This Summer is unusually hot. Today and previous days temperature is (was) well about 30C. And the last Winter was not cold at all. It was possible to pick mushrooms in the middle of December. Near Moscow! Btw, the Germans learned much about Russian frost in November and December 1941. That time temperatures were sometimes below -30C.
 
#8
KGB_resident said:
Russia wants to take more than 10 percent of the world market for civilian aircraft with a host of new airliners, but none of the planes are yet ready, and none were shown at MAKS.
It's a reality. There are plans but their realisation is in progress. 10% taking into account size of Russian economy is not bad at all. But it requires time.

And I suppose that the plans are realistic.

Andy, maybe you have head about Dreamliner Boeing 787. What is the weight of parts in the plane made in Russia?

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/08/21/2877706.htm
The size of Russias economy, you do know the city of London's economy is greater than that of Russia?
 
#9
Dread said:
Remind me in a couple of years never to travel in a Dreamliner older than 5 years: russian metal forging is crap at the best of times, though in defence of the russian metal industry, you get exactly what you pay for.
I agree. No experience with Russian planes but I know a bit about their tractors and combine harvesters. Well thought out and practical ideas were always incorporated into the designs, however poor manufacturing techniques and the worst possible build quality left the things always broken down. Good then that they are very easy to work on and repair and I kid you not, a Belarus tractor could be almost completly disassembled with the one spanner (or should I say hammer?) that came with the machine.

I wonder if the MiG was designed and built with the same engineering ethos. I'd be surprised if those fast jets don't drop out of the sky with frightening regularity before they even get anywhere near a tactical situation.
 
#10
If you want titanium in any real volume you don't have many options but to go to OAO VSMPO-Avisma . Last time I looked some years ago, they produced about 40% of the worlds supply and for some specialist applications they may be the only supplier.
 
#11
It is sufficiently to say that these panels are being tested at a similar test plant in Everett, Washington, at the same time because it is necessary to finish this work rather quickly.
Bollox - it's to ensure that the work is upto standards. The Russians have huge titanium resorces but their manufacturing technology and quality of forgings has always been poor. It's the reason they had to develop high heat resistant stainless steels for their aircraft engines.
 
#12
Although i work on aircraft ,ive never had a good look around any russian aircraft until recently, when we hired one of those huge antonov tranports to fly a RR trent engine out to singapore and i must admit there a very impresive bit of kit ,old fashioned in many ways but they appear very well built and they certainly do the job.
 
#13
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070824/od_nm/russia_usa_bomber_dc;_ylt=AkNDy1bYjhiNmLBtWT5Ysaes0NUE

MOSCOW (Reuters) - A wealthy Russian tried to buy a U.S. B-52 bomber from a group of shocked American pilots at an airshow near Moscow, a Russian newspaper reported Friday.

The unidentified Russian, wearing sunglasses and surrounded by bodyguards, approached the U.S. delegation and asked to buy the bomber, the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper said.

An astounded member of the U.S. delegation said the bomber was not for sale but that it would cost at least $500 million if it were to be sold on the spot.

"That is no problem. It is such a cool machine," the Russian was quoted as saying by the newspaper, which said its reporter overheard the conversation. The bomber was not sold.

Russia's new rich, who built fantastic fortunes trading commodities and contacts after the fall of the Soviet Union, have made a name for themselves as ostentatious purchasers of everything from British football clubs to Faberge eggs
NTM
 
#14
California_Tanker said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070824/od_nm/russia_usa_bomber_dc;_ylt=AkNDy1bYjhiNmLBtWT5Ysaes0NUE

MOSCOW (Reuters) - A wealthy Russian tried to buy a U.S. B-52 bomber from a group of shocked American pilots at an airshow near Moscow, a Russian newspaper reported Friday.

The unidentified Russian, wearing sunglasses and surrounded by bodyguards, approached the U.S. delegation and asked to buy the bomber, the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper said.

An astounded member of the U.S. delegation said the bomber was not for sale but that it would cost at least $500 million if it were to be sold on the spot.

"That is no problem. It is such a cool machine," the Russian was quoted as saying by the newspaper, which said its reporter overheard the conversation. The bomber was not sold.

Russia's new rich, who built fantastic fortunes trading commodities and contacts after the fall of the Soviet Union, have made a name for themselves as ostentatious purchasers of everything from British football clubs to Faberge eggs
NTM
That was Abramovich - he wants it to sit outside Stanford Bridge and look out onto the Fulham Road
 

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