Russia + Venezuela + Iran = Wars a Comming

#1
With Russia effectively bristling at the presence of NATO vessels in the Black Sea, and Putin saying "You'll see!!" when asked what the response will be... it appears that Russia and Venezuela may stage a joint naval exercise at the end of the year.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g7rJ2wsyU-lwLe2noRHRoj-gJH5wD932G3S04

I am sure as we are all aware of America's raising concerns and recent actions over Hezbollah in Latin America that such a move although stated as not being aimed at a 3rd country, it patently is...

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/markets/market_news/article.jsp?content=D91CMBS81

So an increase in deployments for combined US 2nd & 4th fleets then it seems.

For some added spice, there is this clear and present danger, how about these two gems of wisdom:

Sunday Times reports Kremlin discussing sending teams of nuclear experts to Tehran, inviting Iranian nuclear scientists to Moscow for training, in response to US call for NATO expansion eastwards. 'Russia may respond by hitting America where it hurts most – Iran,'
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3592993,00.html

And from this Israeli Article published at the same time:

“the debate between those who think everything must be done, including a military operation, to stop Iran from obtaining a nuclear bomb and those who think one can live with it, has been decided. If the Iranian regime doesn't fall during the coming year, if the Americans don't deliver a military blow and if the sanctions don't break the Iranian nuclear program, Israel will have to take action. In other words: the preparations for an Israeli military option…are already underway.”
Original Source (in Hebrew) - http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/780/050.html

Quite a bit louder than mere Saber rattling going on here one suspects.
 
#2
But didn't Liabour say terrorism was the only threat these days? So we don't have to worry a bout these other things, besides isn't the Venezualan Navy bigger than ours now.
 
#3
Looks like I best get up in the loft and dig out the 58 pattern webbing and SMG sling then!

P-T
 
#4
Ord_Sgt said:
But didn't Liabour say terrorism was the only threat these days? So we don't have to worry a bout these other things, besides isn't the Venezualan Navy bigger than ours now.
Liabour thinks everything will happen at the front door (they have forgotten people can sneak around to the back) and be a nuisance their
 
#5
Ord_Sgt said:
But didn't Liabour say terrorism was the only threat these days? So we don't have to worry a bout these other things, besides isn't the Venezualan Navy bigger than ours now.
Indeed they did, once again demonstrating their wholesale ability to be completely out of touch with something we like to call reality.

What they mean to say but are incapable is they've almost bankrupted the British Economy, have massively over borrowed on future budgets to throw money at getting the "National Back Stabber Inc of bastard bankers" out of the hole they've collectively dug into, so they can use the threat level possed by a bunch of rag-heids wishing to go on holiday with plutonium bombs in suitcases as a reason to crawl up our own arrses and sink the rest of the remainder of the British Navy over the next 25 years.
 
#6
In-Limbo said:
Ord_Sgt said:
But didn't Liabour say terrorism was the only threat these days? So we don't have to worry a bout these other things, besides isn't the Venezualan Navy bigger than ours now.
Indeed they did, once again demonstrating their wholesale ability to be completely out of touch with something we like to call reality.

What they mean to say but are incapable is they've almost bankrupted the British Economy, have massively over borrowed on future budgets to throw money at getting the "National Back Stabber Inc of fatherless bankers" out of the hole they've collectively dug into, so they can use the threat level possed by a bunch of rag-heids wishing to go on holiday with plutonium bombs in suitcases as a reason to crawl up our own arrses and sink the rest of the remainder of the British Navy over the next 25 years.


An absolute cracking rant. I am in awe. May I borrow that at some point int he future. It says it all and it says it well. Respect !! :clap: :worship:

D_B
 
#7
tommyhutch said:
Mr_Deputy said:
I believe the joint-exercise has been post-poned.
Venezuala is to be taken at least quite seriously, it has been making alot of new friends under Hugo Chavez I understand their military capability is not to be laughed at either.
aye, apparently Chavez is a strong supporter of the Argentine Malvinas claim. Wouldn't be funny if Venezuelan Su-30 Flankers started doing "exercises" over Benny airspace.
Fooking hilarious.
All they have to do it wait a little longer until Brown has sold all the shiney new Typhoons to whoever will take them and we have run out of spare parts for Tornado's
The Navy have very little left in the cupboard to deal with it.
 
#9
maninblack said:
We'll defend it with UAVs. the manned aircraft is finished........I know, the MOD said so under instruction from Nu Arbeit.
Err wasn't the same shiote spouted in the 1950's?
The manned aircraft is dead etc etc.
 
#10
So is defence going to become a party political issue again like during the cold war? Liarbour are traditionally sh1te and hate the military, the Tories have been traditionally sh1te but like the military.

Without additional funding our interests may well be under threat and there will be nothing we can do about it, scary thought.
 
#11
In-Limbo said:
With Russia effectively bristling at the presence of NATO vessels in the Black Sea, and Putin saying "You'll see!!" when asked what the response will be... it appears that Russia and Venezuela may stage a joint naval exercise at the end of the year.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g7rJ2wsyU-lwLe2noRHRoj-gJH5wD932G3S04

I am sure as we are all aware of America's raising concerns and recent actions over Hezbollah in Latin America that such a move although stated as not being aimed at a 3rd country, it patently is...

Quite a bit louder than mere Saber rattling going on here one suspects.
So, let me see if I understand you. You think Russia is wrong to be miffed that NATO are conducting naval exercises in the Black Sea, but America is right to be miffed that the Russians are going to exercise with Venzuela?

Smacks of double standards to me. Either exercising near to somebody else's coast is, or is not, threatening. You can't have it both ways - unless of course, one or the other turns exercise into attack.
 
#12
dogs_bollox said:
In-Limbo said:
Ord_Sgt said:
But didn't Liabour say terrorism was the only threat these days? So we don't have to worry a bout these other things, besides isn't the Venezualan Navy bigger than ours now.
Indeed they did, once again demonstrating their wholesale ability to be completely out of touch with something we like to call reality.

What they mean to say but are incapable is they've almost bankrupted the British Economy, have massively over borrowed on future budgets to throw money at getting the "National Back Stabber Inc of fatherless bankers" out of the hole they've collectively dug into, so they can use the threat level possed by a bunch of rag-heids wishing to go on holiday with plutonium bombs in suitcases as a reason to crawl up our own arrses and sink the rest of the remainder of the British Navy over the next 25 years.


An absolute cracking rant. I am in awe. May I borrow that at some point int he future. It says it all and it says it well. Respect !! :clap: :worship:

D_B
Feel free ;)
 
#13
whitecity said:
In-Limbo said:
With Russia effectively bristling at the presence of NATO vessels in the Black Sea, and Putin saying "You'll see!!" when asked what the response will be... it appears that Russia and Venezuela may stage a joint naval exercise at the end of the year.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g7rJ2wsyU-lwLe2noRHRoj-gJH5wD932G3S04

I am sure as we are all aware of America's raising concerns and recent actions over Hezbollah in Latin America that such a move although stated as not being aimed at a 3rd country, it patently is...

Quite a bit louder than mere Saber rattling going on here one suspects.
So, let me see if I understand you. You think Russia is wrong to be miffed that NATO are conducting naval exercises in the Black Sea, but America is right to be miffed that the Russians are going to exercise with Venzuela?

Smacks of double standards to me. Either exercising near to somebody else's coast is, or is not, threatening. You can't have it both ways - unless of course, one or the other turns exercise into attack.
Not really, it isn't a zero sum game; geo-politics rarely are.

The histories of both continents are dramatically different as are the capabilities of both the US and Russian navies. Russia is almost smack up against NATO countries and NATO ships have patrolled the Black Sea for a generation.

On the other hand it really isn't such a big deal, the combined 'fleet' of Russian ships to be involved is six I believe. Nothing more than a show.
 
#14
whitecity said:
In-Limbo said:
With Russia effectively bristling at the presence of NATO vessels in the Black Sea, and Putin saying "You'll see!!" when asked what the response will be... it appears that Russia and Venezuela may stage a joint naval exercise at the end of the year.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g7rJ2wsyU-lwLe2noRHRoj-gJH5wD932G3S04

I am sure as we are all aware of America's raising concerns and recent actions over Hezbollah in Latin America that such a move although stated as not being aimed at a 3rd country, it patently is...

Quite a bit louder than mere Saber rattling going on here one suspects.
So, let me see if I understand you. You think Russia is wrong to be miffed that NATO are conducting naval exercises in the Black Sea, but America is right to be miffed that the Russians are going to exercise with Venzuela?

Smacks of double standards to me. Either exercising near to somebody else's coast is, or is not, threatening. You can't have it both ways - unless of course, one or the other turns exercise into attack.
Not really, it isn't a zero sum game; geo-politics rarely are.

The histories of both continents are dramatically different as are the capabilities of both the US and Russian navies. Russia is almost smack up against NATO countries and NATO ships have patrolled the Black Sea for a generation.

On the other hand it really isn't such a big deal, the combined 'fleet' of Russian ships to be involved is six I believe. Nothing more than a show.
 
#15
whitecity said:
In-Limbo said:
With Russia effectively bristling at the presence of NATO vessels in the Black Sea, and Putin saying "You'll see!!" when asked what the response will be... it appears that Russia and Venezuela may stage a joint naval exercise at the end of the year.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g7rJ2wsyU-lwLe2noRHRoj-gJH5wD932G3S04

I am sure as we are all aware of America's raising concerns and recent actions over Hezbollah in Latin America that such a move although stated as not being aimed at a 3rd country, it patently is...

Quite a bit louder than mere Saber rattling going on here one suspects.
So, let me see if I understand you. You think Russia is wrong to be miffed that NATO are conducting naval exercises in the Black Sea, but America is right to be miffed that the Russians are going to exercise with Venzuela?

Smacks of double standards to me. Either exercising near to somebody else's coast is, or is not, threatening. You can't have it both ways - unless of course, one or the other turns exercise into attack.
I'm looking forward to it. It'll be a destroyer (any money says it's the Admiral Chabanenko, it's the only surface unit of the Northern Fleet that seems fully ready), a tanker to get it there, and a tug in case anything goes wrong.
 
#16
tommyhutch said:
Mr_Deputy said:
I believe the joint-exercise has been post-poned.
Venezuala is to be taken at least quite seriously, it has been making alot of new friends under Hugo Chavez I understand their military capability is not to be laughed at either.
aye, apparently Chavez is a strong supporter of the Argentine Malvinas claim. Wouldn't be funny if Venezuelan Su-30 Flankers started doing "exercises" over Benny airspace.
Chavez isn't Castro. 50% of Venezuela hates the guy, and have the money and influence to prevent him becoming too entrenched. As soon as even some of his supporters figure out that Chavez's failure to tackle issues of crime, infrastructure and economic diversification can't be papered over by Cuban doctors and some shiny new houses for the poor, he'll be gone. Next election is in 2012.
 
#17
Virgil said:
Not really, it isn't a zero sum game; geo-politics rarely are.

The histories of both continents are dramatically different as are the capabilities of both the US and Russian navies. Russia is almost smack up against NATO countries and NATO ships have patrolled the Black Sea for a generation.

On the other hand it really isn't such a big deal, the combined 'fleet' of Russian ships to be involved is six I believe. Nothing more than a show.
Exactly! :)

The thread's title is: "War's a Comming" [sic]

If the Moscow wanted war, it would have the Black Sea Fleet 'milling' with the NATO vessels in the Black Sea with live rounds. Sending a couple of tubs to Venezuela seems to be the perfect reposte to NATO exercises.

Nothing of any consequence intended or implied in the real world of diplomacy and international one-upmanship, but plenty for chickenhawk-like bloggers to jaw-jaw over in a heated manner. :)
 

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#19
You guys don't seem to get it do you!

It's all part of Zanu's cunning plan. China, Russia, Venezuela, Japan, Poland, Kurgistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Columbia, Mexico, America, Argentina, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Cornwall and The Isle of Sheppey are all spending as much money as possible on weapons and rearming because they are of the opinion that the global situation demands it, and that in the not too distant future, and new, big war may start over precious natural resources.

ZANU NL's cunning plan is to pretend that we are Swiss, neutral, and that everyone is in the T.A. and has a bunker under their house.
 
#20
whitecity said:
In-Limbo said:
With Russia effectively bristling at the presence of NATO vessels in the Black Sea, and Putin saying "You'll see!!" when asked what the response will be... it appears that Russia and Venezuela may stage a joint naval exercise at the end of the year.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g7rJ2wsyU-lwLe2noRHRoj-gJH5wD932G3S04

I am sure as we are all aware of America's raising concerns and recent actions over Hezbollah in Latin America that such a move although stated as not being aimed at a 3rd country, it patently is...

Quite a bit louder than mere Saber rattling going on here one suspects.
So, let me see if I understand you. You think Russia is wrong to be miffed that NATO are conducting naval exercises in the Black Sea, but America is right to be miffed that the Russians are going to exercise with Venzuela?

Smacks of double standards to me. Either exercising near to somebody else's coast is, or is not, threatening. You can't have it both ways - unless of course, one or the other turns exercise into attack.
Well before this round of the latest international incidents was announced, America choose to begin reforming the US 4th Fleet.

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/colombi/articles/20080828.aspx

Some as you can imagine are vexed at this.

http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID={96D342FB-2DE7-4FA0-8FBB-54B231C735B3})&language=EN

There are no double standards at play WhiteCity when War's a blowing.

Meanwhile, at the World Court in the Hauge today:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gDNLWfQWKrQc48pITBUg9KT_6oVwD932H5980
 

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