Russia / Ukraine Black sea tensions

Alsacien

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#1
This is interesting:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7239206.stm

On the one hand Vlad is trying to position Russia as powerful world player (in the unique Russian way), today he threatens to point nukes at Ukraine - and in the middle of this 2 fleets site side by side in harbour.
Ukraine wants to boot the Russkis out in 10 years and join NATO - if it still exists :roll: Loads of fun here methinks....
 
#2
seems to me that russia is trying to bully its way into taking what ukraine has. the sooner ukraine join NATO the better for them, that way Russia will leave them alone and start giving sh!t to another less-powerful nation.
 
#3
After urgent talks in Moscow, the two leaders reached a deal to avoid disrupting gas supplies to Ukraine.
carrot and stick.
 
#4
one day, we will all be russian.
 

Alsacien

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#5
rick_rolled said:
seems to me that russia is trying to bully its way into taking what ukraine has. the sooner ukraine join NATO the better for them, that way Russia will leave them alone and start giving sh!t to another less-powerful nation.
...and when the Russians start shifting divisions to the Ukrainian border NATO does what?

Russians are nationalistic and support strong leaders, anything is possible in Ukraine - it is not West Germany....
 
#7
we'd be forgiven for thinking we weren't british anymore.
 
#9
Few points:

1. Question about NATO membership is probably the only issue that unite East, West Ukraine and Crimea. "According to data published on 6 June 2006 by the Democratic Initiatives Foundation, opposition against Ukraine's accession to NATO is constantly on the rise in all regions...
In 2000, 33.5% of Ukrainians were against joining NATO; in 2004 this
number decreased to 30%, but in early 2005 (after the presidential
election) it rose to 50.4%, and in 2006 (after the parliamentary
elections) it reached 64.4%.
At present only 12.4% of respondents are in favour of membership
in the Alliance. Opposition against accession prevails even in Western
Ukraine..." (http://www.lucorg.com/luc/news.php?id=1670)

2. Crimea was GIFTED to Ukraine by Khrushchev in 1956 (as far as I remember). Crimeans consider their territory Russian and want a full divorce from Ukraine. They will never accept NATO.
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/6/F77C8971-BA48-4CC9-930B-3142EF5B38EF.html
On 18 of December 2006 Crimea held referendum on NATO in which took part about 59% of its population, the result: for -- 1%; against -- 99%. http://www.echo.msk.ru/news/349720.html

3. People demand referendum, instead President, PM and Parliament Chairman sign and send a request for NATO membership behind public (and behind Parliament's) back. http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2372728
Not surprisingly it leads to http://en.rian.ru/world/20080204/98354509.html
 

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