Russia to go back to Afghanistan?

#1
Just seen it on BBC News and it seems on the front page of a paper, that Russia has agreed to go back to Afghanistan to aid NATO.

Surely that would be terrible for Hearts and Minds straight off considering how they treated
the Afghans in the 80's.

Maybe its just media speculation, but anyway im off to work.
 
#2
Just seen it on BBC News and it seems on the front page of a paper, that Russia has agreed to go back to Afghanistan to aid NATO.

Surely that would be terrible for Hearts and Minds straight off considering how they treated
the Afghans in the 80's.

Maybe its just media speculation, but anyway im off to work.
Don't expect much. Arms supplies including helicopters, training of Afghan pilots in Russia. Why not? But any military involvement on the ground is highly unprobable.

But what is the cause of these rumours? I think that Washington tries to urge its allies to be more active in Afghanistan.

NATO's agitprop: "Look even the Russians seriously mull the possibility of military involvement. So you the Europeans must send more and more troops and receive more and more coffins."

Russian military could be drawn back into Afghanistan | World news | The Guardian

Russia's military could be drawn back into the Afghanistan theatre for the first time since the Red Army was forcibly expelled by US-backed mujahideen fighters in 1989 under plans being discussed by Nato officials. The proposals precede a landmark alliance summit next month, to be attended by the Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev.

The officials said several joint Nato-Russian initiatives on Afghanistan were on the table. They include the contribution of Russian helicopters and crews to train Afghan pilots, possible Russian assistance in training Afghan national security forces, increased co-operation on counter-narcotics and border security, and improved transit and supply routes for Nato forces.
Training Afghan national security forces (=training of Russian agents). It is possible, but likely not in Afghanistan.

Co-operation on counter-narcotics. It is possible in the form of information exchange.

Border security. It is possible but rather on Tajic side of the border.

The next parliamentary elections in 2011 will not be easy for Putin & Co. So as any military involvement in Afghanistan would be highly unpopular, such a step will not be done.
 
#4
Could they really afford it (financially)?
Indeed the Afghans are unable to pay for Russian made helicopters but our American friend paid and will pay.
 
#5
Perhaps it might be a veiled threat to Mr Khazi (sic) that unless he rethinks the private security issue, the wrath of Ivan will be unleashed......
 
#6
Perhaps it might be a veiled threat to Mr Khazi (sic) that unless he rethinks the private security issue, the wrath of Ivan will be unleashed......
Mr.Khazi I believe has some bank accounts in different countries and in this case would settle somewhere in... Geneva for example.
 
#7
Mr Khazi? I assume Mr Karzai is meant. I know that he is a dodgy character, but I didn't think that he is a sh1thouse.

Sergei, oh ye of little faith. Everything will work out just fine in Afghanistan, so why should Karzai do a runner?
 
#9
Mikhail Gorbachev has just said the wisest thing on the subject of Afghanistan: GET OUT OF THE PLACE.
Also saw this report this morning on the Beeb,

even with half a million troops still won't make a difference (Gorbachev's Quote)

"Victory is impossible in Afghanistan. Obama is right to pull the troops out. No matter how difficult it will be," Mr Gorbachev said in an interview with the BBC's Moscow correspondent Steve Rosenberg.

BBC News - Gorbachev: Nato victory in Afghanistan impossible
 
#10
No doubt, convoy routes will stream through Russia, if attacked in Russia, I dare say that they would respond efectively.

I wonder what their troop numbers would be? also imagine our guys being ferried around in Hips in joint ops?

perhaps this is Russia showing it wants to integrate more with european partners, and try to 'remove' American influence?
 
#11
Also saw this report this morning on the Beeb,

even with half a million troops still won't make a difference (Gorbachev's Quote)

"Victory is impossible in Afghanistan. Obama is right to pull the troops out. No matter how difficult it will be," Mr Gorbachev said in an interview with the BBC's Moscow correspondent Steve Rosenberg.

BBC News - Gorbachev: Nato victory in Afghanistan impossible
A bit of a 'The King isn't wearing any clothes' moment?
 
#12
Also saw this report this morning on the Beeb,

even with half a million troops still won't make a difference (Gorbachev's Quote)

"Victory is impossible in Afghanistan. Obama is right to pull the troops out. No matter how difficult it will be," Mr Gorbachev said in an interview with the BBC's Moscow correspondent Steve Rosenberg.

BBC News - Gorbachev: Nato victory in Afghanistan impossible
When men speak of the future, the Gods laugh.
 
#14
Moscow will allow Nato forces to withdraw equipment from Afghanistan overland for the first time, in proposals expected to be agreed in Lisbon.
Interesting development.........
 
#15
Smells like a return to "The Great Game", Russia wants into India and fears China moving ever Westwards is causing them some ring twitching, so, Russia wants it,s toehold in Afghanistan to tell China to ease up or back off....................but hey, what do I know about history or the inscrutable Oriental.
 
#16
Also saw this report this morning on the Beeb,

even with half a million troops still won't make a difference (Gorbachev's Quote)

"Victory is impossible in Afghanistan. Obama is right to pull the troops out. No matter how difficult it will be," Mr Gorbachev said in an interview with the BBC's Moscow correspondent Steve Rosenberg.

BBC News - Gorbachev: Nato victory in Afghanistan impossible
Shame really that nobody boned up on the Soviet experience before we dived right in there.
 
#18
I think the Russians have a vested interest with regards to counter narcotics ops / training as an awful lot of heroin grown in Afg ends up in the CIS. From what I can gather in the MSM heroin addiction, and the accompanying criminality, is causing the Russkis real grief.

No doubt Sergey will wise me up.
 
#19
The Russians did a lot of things right in Afghanistan - political officers at all levels of the government to prevent corruption, sending many Afghans to Russia for a university education and subsequent government service, training the air force, very large energy projects, public works, schools programs etc etc.

And look where it got them!

A lot of former Russian air force pilots fly the "white fleet" MI8's which deliver supplies all over the country. I have encountered a fair bit of nostalgia for the Russian times when speaking to village elders. The Russian trained government officials in GIRoA line ministry positions seem to be the most competent and least corrupt.
 

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#20
The Russians did a lot of things right in Afghanistan - political officers at all levels of the government to prevent corruption, sending many Afghans to Russia for a university education and subsequent government service, training the air force, very large energy projects, public works, schools programs etc etc.

And look where it got them!

A lot of former Russian air force pilots fly the "white fleet" MI8's which deliver supplies all over the country. I have encountered a fair bit of nostalgia for the Russian times when speaking to village elders. The Russian trained government officials in GIRoA line ministry positions seem to be the most competent and least corrupt.
A fair point asr1, and an issue of ideological stance - not necessarily Soviet/Wtn Democracy - the almost patholigical fear of not been seen as or acting as an Imperial power has resulted in us throwing the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to lessons learned from our own Imperial practice.
 

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