Russia to buy 4 French Mistral Class LPD

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  1. Paris agrees to sell warships to Russia

    BLUF: Two ships should be built in France and another two will be built in Russia; the USA and Baltic states object, NATO says it has no problems with the sale.

    By Ben Hall in Paris

    Published: March 2 2010 02:00 | Last updated: March 2 2010 02:00

    France said yesterday that it had begun exclusive negotiations with Moscow to sell Russia four helicopter-and-troop ships, despite opposition from the US and the Baltic states.

    After talks with President Dmitry Medvedev, on a state visit to France, Nicolas Sarkozy, his French counterpart, said one or preferably two 21,300-ton Mistral-class ships would be built at the STX shipyards at Saint-Nazaire, western France. The others would be built in Russia.

    Mr Medvedev said France's agreement to sell the vessels was a "symbol of confidence between our two countries".

    The agreement to sell up to four vessels was reached as the Russian leader gave his clearest backing yet to tougher sanctions against Iran, provided they were "properly considered, intelligent and not aimed at the civil population".

    If completed, the sale would amount to the most important transfer of military equipment to Russia by a Nato member. It is particularly sensitive given the 2008 Russia-Georgia war, which highlighted Moscow's lack of amphibious capability, and tensions between Russia and Ukraine.

    More at: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c18316c8-2599-11df-9bd3-00144feab49a.html

    Interestingly, on February 10, 2010 a spokesman for NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen says the alliance head does not object to the proposed sale of a French warship to Russia...

    http://www.rferl.org/content/NATO_Head_Does_Not_Object_To_Proposed_French_Warship_Sale_To_Russia/1954560.html
     
  2. Thanks to moron Putin, Russian industry is in the poor state, especially shipbilding. Not so long ago mr.Putin cofessed that foreign producers build ships faster and less expensive.

    This formula 2+2 is very troublesome for some Russian officials and buisenessmen (read thieves). If the ships build in Russia would be more expensive than French made then it would be an indication of of overpricing in over naval projects (there is a lot of them).

    Anyway it is a common sense. Russia has own helicopters (and not so bad), France has a construction that fit the purpose.

    Those who are not satisfied are free to buy their own Mistrals from out French friends.

    Btw, Does RN need Mistral class vessel? Why not to buy it?
     
  3. Funny how all the articles I have read on the subject insist on the fact that the USA is against the deal while forgetting to mention NATO Sec Gen said he had no problems with it...

    "The scene is set for conflict between France and its Nato allies " ....

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7044668.ece

    yeah right two of those "NATO allies" (Spain and Holland) were also trying to clinch the LPD deal....
     
  4. meridian

    meridian LE Good Egg (charities)

    The RN doesnt really need the Mistral because we have Ocean, 4 Bay Class, 2 Albion Class and possibly 2 CVF

    I dont think the Mistral is the cure for cancer that many people seem to think and when the Australians had a look they decided it was a pile of cack and went to Spain with their wad of cash instead
     
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  5. The ships are only part of the deal.
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iVTkCAkqPHJnO-50Q_U0cJFhM4rg

    There's also a big gas contract, and train and car parts deal

    "As Medvedev arrived, French and Russian energy giants GDF Suez and Gazprom announced they had agreed terms for deals for France to take more Russian gas and invest in a Baltic pipeline.

    According to the firms, the gas agreement foresees Gazprom supplying GDF Suez with an extra 1.5 billion cubic metres of gas per year through the Nord Stream pipeline.

    The deal was signed at Monday evening's meeting, along with a contract for French engineering firm Alstom to take a 25 percent stake in Russia's train parts maker Transmashholding.

    Meanwhile in Russia, French car firm Renault inaugurated a 150-million-euro extension to the Avtoframos car plant in Moscow and said it plans to double production to 160,000 vehicles per year.

    The economic focus of Medvedev's visit was underlined by the presence of the head of Gazprom, Alexei Miller, billionaire aluminium magnate Oleg Deripaska and one of Russia's richest men, Mikhail Prokhorov, in the party."


    If it's big enough for Lord Mandelson's boating chum to turn up, it must be significant.
     
  6. No we dont we have ocean and the other LPD's, we need aircraft carriers which the french also need, they might still buy one off us. maybe...
     
  7. Anyone for a big away day by the Russian Marines to the Crimea?
     
  8. Detracting slightly from the thread, but what is the difference between Australia looking for an off the shelf solution and Britain looking for an off the shelf solution a al A400M versus C130XL/ C17
     
  9. The Mistral is a bit like our Bay class RFA I think
     
  10. Nobody is under any illusion about the Mistral. It's a civilian ship painted grey armed with nothing more than 4X 0,50 Cal HMG. Its main selling point is that it's built under civilian specs so it's not too expensive and can be very quickly delivered.

    The russian ministry of interior is also interested in buying some VBL armoured cars from Panhard apparently.

    MOSCOW, February 16 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's police force is holding talks with France's Panhard General Defense on the purchase of VBL light armored vehicles, a Russian business daily reported Tuesday.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-100216-rianovosti01.htm
     
  11. 4 Bay Class? Hardly an act of war. The Mistral class are dedicated force projection vessels, designed for force projection. They are excellent vessels - don't ask me, ask the naval architects I used to work alongside - they used to drool and produce small drops of wee when discussing them!
     
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  12. Tropper and fantassin - not at all...don't confuse being built by Chantiers with being a civilian ship painted grey. The vessels were designed in accordance with military ship classification principles by DCN. The Bay class are quite a bit smaller, carry less men, helicopters and materiel and cannot operate autonomously for as long as the BPC can. They also went through a lot of "design creep" and as a result have some issues.

    You may enjoy the NAO 2007 report on the project? http://web.nao.org.uk/search/search.aspx?Schema=&terms=landing+ship+dock+auxiliary
     
  13. Bouillabaisse

    Bouillabaisse LE Book Reviewer

    The Bay class are RFA's not warships. A better comparison would be with Ocean, Albion and Bulwark.

    And buying 4 Mistrals does not give Russia a massive capability boost - there is the usual naval problem of where to base them. I suspect they will have to spread them between the North Altlantic, the Black Sea and the Pacific which rather dilutes their mass effectiveness.

    I bet the French build price will be quite low - this is effectively a subsidy by the french govt of the shipyard in St Nazairre which specialises in cruise ships normally
     
  14. in_the_cheapseats

    in_the_cheapseats LE Moderator

    Smart move, France. Money in the bank and their shipping construction industry stays afloat as well.

    When do our closer relationships with France military start?
     
  15. Bouillabaisse

    Bouillabaisse LE Book Reviewer

    This is the only sort of close relationship we want with the French

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