Russia tests 'fifth generation' missile that can penetrate Nato defence system

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Russia tests 'fifth generation' missile that can penetrate Nato defence system - Telegraph

Little is known about the new weapon except its purported ability to better avoid being shot down.


The Russian missile "uses a new type of fuel that helps reduce the time required to operate the propellants in the active stage of the rocket's trajectory," one military source said.


Officials believe this makes it more difficult to detect and easier to manoeuvre. Interfax said the weapon is also equipped with individual warheads that can change course to avoid being shot down.

Interesting.

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The most intriguing feature of the decision is that it calls for a liquid-fuel missile. While liquid-fuel rockets have higher (as compared to solid-fuel ones) launch-weight to throw-weight ratio, they are also characterised by more durable boost-phase which makes them easier targets to interception than high-acceleration solid-fuel missiles. So, how can one explain this seemingly extravagant Russian decision?
 
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hope were going to get back to the ''good old days'' of guarding the TAC bar...
 
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iam just having a good root for the fablon to beer proof my biff chit,
 
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If you're sad enough to keep up with such things the Russians are taking a distinctly individual approach to missile design using such things as decoys, depressed, manoeuvering trajectories and advanced manoeuvering warheads. They are, by default, ahead of the West as we are still running on Cold War era kit like Trident. The question is just how much is bluff and how much is borne out in the actual performance. That sort of stuff doesn't appear in open source, though,
 
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Will it shoot down a Trident (from a Yank or Brit sub) before it turns Moscow into an interesting glass sculpture? Because if not then what it can or can't evade is a fairly moot question because Ivan still can't fire it at Europe or North America.

Well they can but then their major cities will magically turn into glow in the dark blinis shortly afterwards.
 
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If you're sad enough to keep up with such things the Russians are taking a distinctly individual approach to missile design using such things as decoys, depressed, manoeuvering trajectories and advanced manoeuvering warheads. They are, by default, ahead of the West as we are still running on Cold War era kit like Trident. The question is just how much is bluff and how much is borne out in the actual performance. That sort of stuff doesn't appear in open source, though,
As the OP implied, little is known of the missile in question so "The Bear" make it public so we can all have a proper-gander.
 
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Liquid fuelled is intreaguing. They had big problems back in the day developing reliable solid fuelled ICBMs and resorted to some evil combinations of fuel/oxidisers, that made many of their missiles more dangerous to its launch crew, then any adversary.
 
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If you're sad enough to keep up with such things the Russians are taking a distinctly individual approach to missile design using such things as decoys, depressed, manoeuvering trajectories and advanced manoeuvering warheads. They are, by default, ahead of the West as we are still running on Cold War era kit like Trident. The question is just how much is bluff and how much is borne out in the actual performance. That sort of stuff doesn't appear in open source, though,
Pulling the Interfax quote re "warheads that can change course to avoid being shot down", and "advanced manoeuvring warheads", is hardly new technology. It's been around since the early 1970's, as the MARV concept.

'Everyone' knows MIRV - Multiple (or Multi-Warhead) Independently-targeted Re-entry Vehicle, whereby the bus altered course and ejected warheads acccording to a target list. Lesser known as MARV - Manoeuvreable Alternative target Re-entry Vehicle, in which each warhead was capable of interdiction avoidance, and select an alternative target from a list. Avoidance and target re-selection where limited by fuel and operational height.

In the 1970's both US and USSR were upgrading MRV ICBMS to MIRV and MARV. Poseidon was MIRV, Trident was MIRV (with a planned MARV capabillity). Pershing II was MARV.

MARV was seen as a step backwards in terms of arms-control, and iirc there was a heavy push to ban MARV under the various limitation talks.
 
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If you're sad enough to keep up with such things the Russians are taking a distinctly individual approach to missile design using such things as decoys, depressed, manoeuvering trajectories and advanced manoeuvering warheads. They are, by default, ahead of the West as we are still running on Cold War era kit like Trident. The question is just how much is bluff and how much is borne out in the actual performance. That sort of stuff doesn't appear in open source, though,
The degree of the tech gap there, tech chasm actually, leads me to believe that the Seps have something up their sleeves that they've managed to keep very quiet indeed.
 
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Would this fifth generation missile capable of penetrating deep into NATO territory without being detected perchance resemble a battered Ford Transit van full of Rumanian pick pockets & shoplifters?
 
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Will it shoot down a Trident (from a Yank or Brit sub) before it turns Moscow into an interesting glass sculpture? Because if not then what it can or can't evade is a fairly moot question because Ivan still can't fire it at Europe or North America.

Well they can but then their major cities will magically turn into glow in the dark blinis shortly afterwards.
I think the fact that Russians seem to own most of the nicer parts of London may actually be a bigger deterrent to them starting a nuclear ruck with Dave.
 

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