Russia slams NATO’s Afghanistan exit plan

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BRUSSELS — Russia’s foreign minister sharply criticized NATO’s plan to withdraw its forces from Afghanistan by 2014, saying Thursday that coalition troops should remain in the country until Afghan government forces are capable of ensuring security.

“As long as Afghanistan is not able to ensure by itself the security in the country, the artificial timelines of withdrawal are not correct and they should not be set,” Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said.....

Moscow views NATO’s military effort in Afghanistan as crucial for its own security, including helping to prevent instability from spreading into ex-Soviet Central Asia.

Russia has provided NATO with air corridors and railway routes for carrying supplies to and from landlocked Afghanistan. The link has become particularly important since Pakistan blocked NATO supplies from crossing its territory following an alliance airstrike that killed 24 Pakistani border troops in November.

On Thursday, Lavrov and NATO ministers discussed a plan to give the alliance a new logistics facility on Russian territory to transfer military cargo to and from Afghanistan.
Some sense dawning in the Russian mind?

The proposal now being considered by Russian lawmakers would for the first time allow alliance members to set up a logistics facility in Ulyanovsk, Russia, for troops and cargo.

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Well at least someone has thought about it, we seem to be leaving because it costs too much as opposed to it being job done.
 
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They are the experts at recent Afghan exit strategies...



(oh no he di-eent)
 
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Hmm - somebody remind me how good Russia's exit from Afghan was, and what a stable regime they left behind, because if they think they know better I must be mis-remembering it.
 
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I think we should make Afghan the world's nuclear testing facility, we can invite Iran, N. Korea and anyone else who needs to test their buckets of sunshine, down there!
 
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NATO entanglement in Afghanistan has been a great thing for Russian foreign policy objectives. It's not surprising that they want it to continue, quite apart from the spectre of an Islamist training ground near their sphere of influence.
 
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If NATO in Afghanistan is crucial for Russian security... how many troops do the Russians have in Afghanistan again?
 
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I think we should make Afghan the world's nuclear testing facility, we can invite Iran, N. Korea and anyone else who needs to test their buckets of sunshine, down there!
Okay, I'll gently bite. I happily reveal that the Hashimi's are my adoptive family and that the degree of friendship, loyalty and protection afforded me in Afghanistan has surpassed anything that I've experienced outside 1 RNZIR (Okay, the last bit was a bit of a joke.)Instead of the instant sunshine gag (thich is getting a little bit worn, what with Iran, N Korea, and even Israel et al), could I invite y'all to consider how much of Afghanistan's present woes have been foisted on the Afghans by outside influences? Not just the bad boy Russians (who were sort of invited in) and the nasty neighbours in Pakistan, but the bleedin' eejit Westerners who decided to impose Western-style democracy on a culture and society that hasn't, in the main, emerged from a combination of tribalism and medieval patronage. Back at the onset of our longest modern conflict the aim was to get in, destroy AQ, negate the Taliban and prop up a nascent state until we could turn smartly to the right, salute and go home for tea and biscuits. It was not to try and impose a modern liberal democracy upon fghanistan - and so doing has been our undoing - and the fostering of the "nuke the 'Stan" school of thought. So doing has been, if you will forgive a bit of soapboxing, the cause of most of our present misfortune. As a certain meercat might say, sorting Afghanistan is not to be achieved by military action, but by standing back and supporting indrectly. If we don't like what emerges, tough: it has emerged through Afghan determination, not Western fiat. Simples.
 
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And why not have it the West's way? We are, after all, super (apparently). And, bugger it all to hell, we can do anything we like because we carry a big stick.
 
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bleedin' eejit Westerners who decided to impose Western-style democracy on a culture and society that hasn't, in the main, emerged from a combination of tribalism and medieval patronage.
They were quite westernised and progressive int eh '50s to 70's though...
 
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Okay, I'll gently bite. I happily reveal that the Hashimi's are my adoptive family and that the degree of friendship, loyalty and protection afforded me in Afghanistan has surpassed anything that I've experienced outside 1 RNZIR (Okay, the last bit was a bit of a joke.)Instead of the instant sunshine gag (thich is getting a little bit worn, what with Iran, N Korea, and even Israel et al), could I invite y'all to consider how much of Afghanistan's present woes have been foisted on the Afghans by outside influences? Not just the bad boy Russians (who were sort of invited in) and the nasty neighbours in Pakistan, but the bleedin' eejit Westerners who decided to impose Western-style democracy on a culture and society that hasn't, in the main, emerged from a combination of tribalism and medieval patronage. Back at the onset of our longest modern conflict the aim was to get in, destroy AQ, negate the Taliban and prop up a nascent state until we could turn smartly to the right, salute and go home for tea and biscuits. It was not to try and impose a modern liberal democracy upon fghanistan - and so doing has been our undoing - and the fostering of the "nuke the 'Stan" school of thought. So doing has been, if you will forgive a bit of soapboxing, the cause of most of our present misfortune. As a certain meercat might say, sorting Afghanistan is not to be achieved by military action, but by standing back and supporting indrectly. If we don't like what emerges, tough: it has emerged through Afghan determination, not Western fiat. Simples.
Hard to read, but you do make a good point.
 
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Well maybe, but why should we apologise for our every action? It's that kind of thinking that lost us the Empire. A bit of gunboat diplomacy goes a long way!
 
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The place is a shit hole. There will never be a good time to leave. What's the running joke in NATO now? "Will Karzai last 4 days, 4 weeks or 4 months?"
 
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When just about the only realistically dangerous enemy DC still has throws a wobbly about Barry cutting and running out of a theater they are very familiar with you have got to wonder at how much happiness the entire GWOT venture caused in the Kremlin. You might think from their perspective we've basically been fighting their war against Islamo-facism in the Stans for them.
 
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i think after his current term is up he has to step down so he should get a chance to take his money and run before ISAF disapear. the wee beardy ****
 
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What did the last helmand governor say? When asked "How long would you stay in Lashkar Gah if ISAF pull out?", he answered along the lines of "I wouldn't stay a night!"
 
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When just about the only realistically dangerous enemy DC still has throws a wobbly about Barry cutting and running out of a theater they are very familiar with you have got to wonder at how much happiness the entire GWOT venture caused in the Kremlin. You might think from their perspective we've basically been fighting their war against Islamo-facism in the Stans for them.
That's certainly part of it .... the relative freedom to operate in Eastern Europe caused by US over-commitment is another, plus the opportunities to accrue points and/or prizes by requiring to be paid off by the US so as not to drop them in it in other theatres. A good example is high end SAMs to Iran, the Russians blow hot, Washington pays them off in some manner, they blow cold. Leaves the Iranians grinding their teeth but it's not like Russia cares, is it.
 

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