Russia Report - Read all about it.

Oh sure. At least Kaiser Wilhelm was honest about why he introduced similar measures in 1871 - it was to prevent full-scale revolution.

And how come the so-called "Socialist" stuff meant for the plebs in the UK isn't a patch on the plethora of privileges and more than generous benefits enjoyed by the "better" members of UK society?

MsG
Such as - oh you mean things like private healthcare and Pensions as in not paid for out the 'socialist' pot.

But I see were back to yeh but people with more than me are evil exploiters - the minimum wage working mans a victim of Them.

Thus we find the differrence between the have nots and the grr i dont haves

Im a have not - I recognise thats down to my failings, a bit of bad luck and a few poor decisions - a few differrent decisions and i would be very comfortable - as it is were on a tight budget - I work a dead end part time job in order to try and create a pension pot for our retirement.
But the system didnt screw me nor did Boris or Mogg or the queen - Crushing my hands did cost me my career - but choices before* and since** damaged finances.

The I dont haves - Its his fault, its not fair, the system is designed to keep us down, im a victim of oppression / capitalism/ lizard people .


*Women - Children custody battles. **moving to france at wifes request and being out of work for over 5 years.
 
The Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee?
Are probably into it up to their necks. The point is the damage is there to be done and has been for a very long time. What is the point of warning of impending peril, when no one would anything about it. Battles are won on the battlefield, war by strategic planning.
 
Oh sure. At least Kaiser Wilhelm was honest about why he introduced similar measures in 1871 - it was to prevent full-scale revolution.

And how come the so-called "Socialist" stuff meant for the plebs in the UK isn't a patch on the plethora of privileges and more than generous benefits enjoyed by the "better" members of UK society?

MsG
Would that include the Irish aristocracy prior to 1922? And in 1871 what full scale revolution should that be, he’d just whupped the French and Unified his Germany or perhaps you don’t understand exactly how Germany worked then?
 
Are probably into it up to their necks. The point is the damage is there to be done and has been for a very long time. What is the point of warning of impending peril, when no one would anything about it. Battles are won on the battlefield, war by strategic planning.

And certainly not by ignoring things, which is what this current government appear to be happy to do.

By all means, let's chuck some blame around. There's plenty to go around.

However - the comedic incompetence of this government attempting to stiffle the report, not engage with it, and then just hope people forget about it an move on is unbecoming of any government, and especially a "conservative" government who are supposed to be the defenders of the realm.

It's contemptuous.
 
It has very little alternative

I do not accept that, it is chosing to the easy thing rather than the right thing IMHO.

We seem to be able to rise to national effort when it suits. Just not in this case.

I wonder why?
 
I do not accept that, it is chosing to the easy thing rather than the right thing IMHO.

We seem to be able to rise to national effort when it suits. Just not in this case.

I wonder why?
Well where would you start, Arts philanthropy,property in Moscow on Thames, media coverage, investment banking, football, Boumer I’ve seen the types we’re talking about and they don’t mix in low circles. They are already carefully placed. What I got was mere pocket money from seizing their cash. The war over financial supremacy that EU wants over London is also an indication of the scale of the problem. Finance is not ethical any more than FP is.
 
Well where would you start, Arts philanthropy,property in Moscow on Thames, media coverage, investment banking, football, Boumer I’ve seen the types we’re talking about and they don’t mix in low circles. They are already carefully placed. What I got was mere pocket money from seizing their cash. The war over financial supremacy that EU wants over London is also an indication of the scale of the problem. Finance is not ethical any more than FP is.

Still a choice.

Still terribly convenient that "oh we just can't do something about it".

We seem to be able to tear stuff apart when it suits right now, shame we cannot do that about corruption.

Funny that.
 
Still a choice.

Still terribly convenient that "oh we just can't do something about it".

We seem to be able to tear stuff apart when it suits right now, shame we cannot do that about corruption.

Funny that.
I wouldn’t disagree that it’s convenient, in part it’s a manpower problem, in part it’s a problem with enforcement. The Laws and rules are there, it’s their interpretation and of course we no longer have any real customs facility any more and it will not be replaced Any time soon. Any expertise there was has gone.

As to your latter point that is a different matter. There are vested interests looking to become the new kids on the block. They don’t care about corruption no matter what they say, only that the old establishment is gone and they replace it .

It’s not funny at all, to someone like me, it is however sadly predictable.
 
I wouldn’t disagree that it’s convenient, in part it’s a manpower problem, in part it’s a problem with enforcement. The Laws and rules are there, it’s their interpretation and of course we no longer have any real customs facility any more and it will not be replaced Any time soon. Any expertise there was has gone.

As to your latter point that is a different matter. There are vested interests looking to become the new kids on the block. They don’t care about corruption no matter what they say, only that the old establishment is gone and they replace it .

It’s not funny at all, to someone like me, it is however sadly predictable.

I do find it funny how "taking back control" doesn't appear to extend to rooting out corruption.

I mean, we're able to embark on a huge national project of uncertain impact to our economy.

Just not able to do one which has been identified as a corrupt and corrupting influence (which impacts national security and the democratic process).

So as I say. A choice.
 

Yokel

LE
I do find it funny how "taking back control" doesn't appear to extend to rooting out corruption.

I mean, we're able to embark on a huge national project of uncertain impact to our economy.

Just not able to do one which has been identified as a corrupt and corrupting influence (which impacts national security and the democratic process).

So as I say. A choice.

Western political and legal systems are based on three things. The teachings of Christ (and other faiths and religious figures) show that the truth is independent of the individual and that we have a responsibility to each other. The Magna Carta separates executive and judicial powers, and the Scientific Method gives us the tools to rationally evaluate and refine ideas.

These things have been instrumental in the rise of the West - not defined by Geography, race, or faith - and are closely related to veneration of the truth. This in turn demands the highest standards of integrity from those in public life.

After all - dishonesty is the surest path to hell.
 
You seemed to bite on this one, agree with you one the personalities at least Putin is intelligent.
Putin is simply a successful Fascist dictator.

There are no Communists in positions of power in Russia, but a lot of State Security, rigged courts and oppressive policing. There are mutually overlapping circles of big business capitalism and organised crime, a tame Church, a glorified and grotesque military, an effective one Party State with a facade of democracy, and a broken Press.

This is what The Fascists of the 1930s saw as the desired end state. Franco and Mussolini would approve.
 
Western political and legal systems are based on three things. The teachings of Christ (and other faiths and religious figures) show that the truth is independent of the individual and that we have a responsibility to each other. The Magna Carta separates executive and judicial powers, and the Scientific Method gives us the tools to rationally evaluate and refine ideas.

These things have been instrumental in the rise of the West - not defined by Geography, race, or faith - and are closely related to veneration of the truth. This in turn demands the highest standards of integrity from those in public life.

After all - dishonesty is the surest path to the House of Lords

Fixed, FoC.
 
The Magna Carta separates executive and judicial powers
That's not even true for the whole of the UK, let alone the entire western world. The separation of powers has foundations going much further back and the MC was an expression of a recognised principle that had been conveniently forgotten in the who Divine Right thing.
 
The problem is that no-one can do very much about it, apart from a few cosmetic "adjustments" here and there. Without illicit drug money and ill-gotten gains from dictators, tyrants, despots, Russian oligarchs etc, the Brit economy would've collapsed yonks ago.

All the money-laundering takes place in the City of London (The Square Mile) and that's a place with its own laws, regulations, protocols, procedures and also its own Old Bill (those with the red/white checkered band on their titfers, as opposed to the black/white bands of the Met). The UK parliament is powerless to act in any meaningful way because "normal" rules don't apply there. It's not for nothing that the City of London is by far the biggest tax-haven in the world.

That's why nothing can happen and won't happen. Quite apart from the fact that it's where the UK politicians not only get their bungs from, but also bunker it there.

MsG
So much bullshit in one post. Where do you learn your "facts"?
 

DaManBugs

LE
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Yokel

LE
That's not even true for the whole of the UK, let alone the entire western world. The separation of powers has foundations going much further back and the MC was an expression of a recognised principle that had been conveniently forgotten in the who Divine Right thing.

What do you mean not true for the whole of the UK? Genuine question.

My point is that Johnson, Biden, Macron, and others are subject to legal limits on their powers and can be held in check by the Judiciary.
 
What do you mean not true for the whole of the UK?
Scots Law isn't and never has been based on the Magna Carta. Roman Law was the main influence and the restrictions on state power over the law tended to come from there and a common preference for ecclesiastical courts over lay ones.

I'm not sure about the body of law for Ireland as it now relates to NI but as it also had a separate tradition and different drivers it wouldn't surprise me if there were a different foundation.
 
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