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Russia has a far larger nuclear force than China. Unless China were to send SSBNs west of Suez, China cannot pose a nuclear threat to the UK. Russian incursions in European and UK airspace pose a risk to normal taffic, as well as the veiled message of attack capability. Likewise, increased Russian submarine activity in the Atlantic is to send a message to us.

Russia continues to exports MiGs, SAMs, submarines, naval mines to all sorts of regimes.

You might be interested in this paper about Russia and NATO in Northern Waters:

Fire and Ice: A New Naval Strategy for NATO's Northern Flank

At the risk of sounding paraniod, Dominic Cummings (who spent three years in Russia) seems to have a bee in his bonnet about carriers, and seems to have swallowed the disinformation. Russia is keen is spread rumours that discredit our capabilities.
1. Nuclear forces are a weapon retained for the prospect of national defeat.
2. Probing defences is hardly restricted to Russia, as we are deploying a carrier to ferret around chinese newly claimed territorial waters and I'm sure a few RAF types can highlight those low level recce flights into eastern europe that were common back in the day.
3. Exporting arms to regimes you don't like, can be applied to some of the countries we export too.

I am not underestimating the threat of Russia, but trying to put it into context and maybe explain why most UK citizens do not walk the streets in terror of russia. Certainly, if Russia did invade the baltic states then people would accept your and others arguments, but the crimea, donbass and chechyna are not the baltics.
 
Where's Sergei and his gang of Russian trolls?
C'mon @KGB_resident what's the low down from Moscow?
Once upon a time there was a sweet girl known as Little Red Cap because she dreamed to serve in HM armed forces and used to wear red beret.
One day her mother said to her, "Come Little Red Cap. Here is a piece of cake and a bottle of wine. Take them to your grandmother. She is sick and weak, and they will do her well"
When Little Red Cap entered the woods a Bear came up to her.
"Good day to you, Little Red Cap."
"Thank you, Bear."
"Where are you going so early, Little Red Cap?"
"To grandmother's."
"Let me come with you. There is evil Wolf in the woods"
"It would be very kind of you Bear"
They came to the Grandmother and had a cup of tea with cake.
The next day newspapers reported
Blah Blah Corp - "Threat of hunger in the woods. The Bear left no food"
ToryGraph - "Spy activity of the Bear in the Woods. He tried to recruit a little girl"
Graunidad - "Drunken Bear consumed all wine in the Woods"
Dependent - "Threat of communist propaganda. Bear forced little girl to wear red beret"
Daily Post - "The Bear raped them all - from little girl to old women"
The Moon - "Brave huntsmen defended poor Wolf form aggressive Bear"
News of the Forest - "The Bear came with Novichok to poison everybody"
The Consumerist - "The Bear plans to undermine real estate market in the woods"
 

Yokel

LE
@Graculus and @Emcon Ecomcon

The political and media circus has meant that possible interference in the BREXIT referendum became a bigger story that the interference in the Scottish referendum:


Anyway, this is what Christine Jardine MP (Edinburgh - Lib Dem) has to say:


Also: The Naval Dimension of the Russia Report

Turning the focus back to Scotland, the Russians do regard the UK as a potential weak point in NATO, partly due to the threat of the Scots departing the Union. If such a thing were to happen it would offer the benefit of undermining the national strategic deterrent and NATO. The Scottish National Party (SNP) government in Edinburgh is determined to evict Trident nuclear missile submarines (SSBNs) from the Clyde once it breaks Scotland away.

That event would also potentially further disrupt operations by the Royal Navy’s attack boats (SSNs), for they are now all based in Scotland too. When he was Prime Minister David Cameron refused to openly consider a plan for relocating the Trident boats and the SSNs elsewhere in the UK, for fear of undermining the Union. In that way he guaranteed that, should the SNP government achieve its objective of independence, there will be even greater disruption as the UK Govts flails around for somewhere to base the submarines.

It would not be as simple as ordering them to sail for Devonport, which is no longer an operating base for submarines, despite refitting them in the co-located dockyard. A massive amount of infrastructure would need to be created to replicate what is currently at Faslane and Coulport in Scotland. It might be such a tall order that the UK’s at-sea deterrent force ends up decommissioned entirely.

Cameron’s blinkered mindset likely only encouraged the Russians to try and influence the 2014 referendum result in favour of independence. Meanwhile, when it comes to their own strategic defence bases the Russians always have a Plan B and are ruthless in enacting it. They would never gamble with the future of an essential military /naval centre – it’s the reason they annexed the Crimea in 2014, in order to secure their naval bastion at Sevastopol along with facilities at other locations in the peninsula.

Another big result for the Russians with Scotland departing the Union would be disrupting the UK’s ability to construct warships. While the UK once had the ability to build warships and also support them at several sites, in recent times it has not only sent all its submarines to be based in Scotland but concentrated its naval shipbuilding on the Clyde and at Rosyth, after closing yards in England. There are naval yards in England but they conduct refits and fleet maintenance not warship construction. While Barrow-in-Furness builds submarines it is no longer in the surface vessel game.

 
@Graculus and @Emcon Ecomcon

The political and media circus has meant that possible interference in the BREXIT referendum became a bigger story that the interference in the Scottish referendum:


Anyway, this is what Christine Jardine MP (Edinburgh - Lib Dem) has to say:


Also: The Naval Dimension of the Russia Report

Turning the focus back to Scotland, the Russians do regard the UK as a potential weak point in NATO, partly due to the threat of the Scots departing the Union. If such a thing were to happen it would offer the benefit of undermining the national strategic deterrent and NATO. The Scottish National Party (SNP) government in Edinburgh is determined to evict Trident nuclear missile submarines (SSBNs) from the Clyde once it breaks Scotland away.

That event would also potentially further disrupt operations by the Royal Navy’s attack boats (SSNs), for they are now all based in Scotland too. When he was Prime Minister David Cameron refused to openly consider a plan for relocating the Trident boats and the SSNs elsewhere in the UK, for fear of undermining the Union. In that way he guaranteed that, should the SNP government achieve its objective of independence, there will be even greater disruption as the UK Govts flails around for somewhere to base the submarines.

It would not be as simple as ordering them to sail for Devonport, which is no longer an operating base for submarines, despite refitting them in the co-located dockyard. A massive amount of infrastructure would need to be created to replicate what is currently at Faslane and Coulport in Scotland. It might be such a tall order that the UK’s at-sea deterrent force ends up decommissioned entirely.

Cameron’s blinkered mindset likely only encouraged the Russians to try and influence the 2014 referendum result in favour of independence. Meanwhile, when it comes to their own strategic defence bases the Russians always have a Plan B and are ruthless in enacting it. They would never gamble with the future of an essential military /naval centre – it’s the reason they annexed the Crimea in 2014, in order to secure their naval bastion at Sevastopol along with facilities at other locations in the peninsula.

Another big result for the Russians with Scotland departing the Union would be disrupting the UK’s ability to construct warships. While the UK once had the ability to build warships and also support them at several sites, in recent times it has not only sent all its submarines to be based in Scotland but concentrated its naval shipbuilding on the Clyde and at Rosyth, after closing yards in England. There are naval yards in England but they conduct refits and fleet maintenance not warship construction. While Barrow-in-Furness builds submarines it is no longer in the surface vessel game.
I agree with you. IF our union can be broken, then Russia is the big winner.
 

Yokel

LE
There’s something dodgy in Russian tea...

AGAIN!


Would you buy a packet of Uncle Vlad's Russian Tea? It gives you a glow like no other.

Or would you buy double glazing from the Moscow Window Company? You could fall to your death if you ignore the management, even on the ground floor?

Best not mention the Russian version of Alexa.
 
Dianne Abbott has a drink on the tube, the world goes mad.

A report says we're a Laundramat for cash and compramised to fook, nothing.

I do wonder why?

 
Dianne Abbott has a drink on the tube, the world goes mad.

A report says we're a Laundramat for cash and compramised to fook, nothing.

I do wonder why?

Why, because what should happen is that those dealing with it are legally obliged to be transparent , they’re not, the FSA and other financial watchdogs are carefully controlled not to interfere by being in house self servers. Besides these financial transactions may have been going on for decades, ring no bells, what do you think Putin and his ilk have been doing all these years. Oh and people like me who dealt with illicit cash have been got rid of.
These reports are normal for those seeking to maintain their positions. If you see a sail on the horizon report. We see no ships.
 
Why, because what should happen is that those dealing with it are legally obliged to be transparent , they’re not, the FSA and other financial watchdogs are carefully controlled not to interfere by being in house self servers. Besides these financial transactions may have been going on for decades, ring no bells, what do you think Putin and his ilk have been doing all these years. Oh and people like me who dealt with illicit cash have been got rid of.
These reports are normal for those seeking to maintain their positions. If you see a sail on the horizon report. We see no ships.

It does make me chuckle at all the Grey Zone stuff being churned out.
 
Dianne Abbott has a drink on the tube, the world goes mad.

A report says we're a Laundramat for cash and compramised to fook, nothing.

I do wonder why?

If this letter had been written by a Conservative MP he/she would have been accused of stoking up a new Cold War? Given the awe with which Russia/USSR was and is held within sections of the Labour Party, see no further than Corbyn's attitude to Salisbury, plus other connections and cash in the past, this letter is pretty rich!
 
If this letter had been written by a Conservative MP he/she would have been accused of stoking up a new Cold War? Given the awe with which Russia/USSR was and is held within sections of the Labour Party, see no further than Corbyn's attitude to Salisbury, plus other connections and cash in the past, this letter is pretty rich!

Do you think that Russia is still a communist country and has anything in common with western socialist political parties?
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
Dianne Abbott has a drink on the tube, the world goes mad.

A report says we're a Laundramat for cash and compramised to fook, nothing.

I do wonder why?

The problem is that no-one can do very much about it, apart from a few cosmetic "adjustments" here and there. Without illicit drug money and ill-gotten gains from dictators, tyrants, despots, Russian oligarchs etc, the Brit economy would've collapsed yonks ago.

All the money-laundering takes place in the City of London (The Square Mile) and that's a place with its own laws, regulations, protocols, procedures and also its own Old Bill (those with the red/white checkered band on their titfers, as opposed to the black/white bands of the Met). The UK parliament is powerless to act in any meaningful way because "normal" rules don't apply there. It's not for nothing that the City of London is by far the biggest tax-haven in the world.

That's why nothing can happen and won't happen. Quite apart from the fact that it's where the UK politicians not only get their bungs from, but also bunker it there.

MsG
 
The problem is that no-one can do very much about it, apart from a few cosmetic "adjustments" here and there. Without illicit drug money and ill-gotten gains from dictators, tyrants, despots, Russian oligarchs etc, the Brit economy would've collapsed yonks ago.

All the money-laundering takes place in the City of London (The Square Mile) and that's a place with its own laws, regulations, protocols, procedures and also its own Old Bill (those with the red/white checkered band on their titfers, as opposed to the black/white bands of the Met). The UK parliament is powerless to act in any meaningful way because "normal" rules don't apply there. It's not for nothing that the City of London is by far the biggest tax-haven in the world.

That's why nothing can happen and won't happen. Quite apart from the fact that it's where the UK politicians not only get their bungs from, but also bunker it there.

MsG
So voting in Corbyn wouldn't have changed anything so its a good thing the country didn't bother, glad that we can agree on something.
 
It does make me chuckle at all the Grey Zone stuff being churned out.
It’s something no British Government of any persuasion could afford to do or wants to interfere with and it’s not how things work. This is merely smug point collecting work. The issue here is that no other financial centre would turn this down for all their protestations of being purer than the driven snow.
 
Do you think that Russia is still a communist country and has anything in common with western socialist political parties?
Left groups still seem to tow the Moscow line, anti US, disband NATO, EU etc return Baltics and Poland to Russian hegemony. As stated Corbyn's curious attitude over Salisbury. So, and I am glad to see I am winding you up, I see their reasons as :-

1. Old habits die hard, and they just admire Russia for old times sake.

2. My enemies enemy is my friend - ie anti US.

3. There will be Revolution 2 in Russia and the Communists will be back.

4. Certain personalities on the left know there a few interestintg files in Vlads sandwich drawer, so don't rock the boat.
 
Do you think that Russia is still a communist country and has anything in common with western socialist political parties?

Maybe nothing in common, but a lot of left-leaning, useful idiots out there to be used as a means to sow doubt and dissent in Western democracies with their enshrined right of free speech.
 
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It’s something no British Government of any persuasion could afford to do or wants to interfere with and it’s not how things work. This is merely smug point collecting work. The issue here is that no other financial centre would turn this down for all their protestations of being purer than the driven snow.

The Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee?
 
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