Russia military strength -new reports

Do you agree with mr.Hammond that Russia is a threat to everyone on world stage?

  • Absolutely

    Votes: 28 33.3%
  • Mainly agree

    Votes: 14 16.7%
  • Rather agree

    Votes: 9 10.7%
  • Not to everyone.Russia is not a threat to Iran, China, Brazil and many others

    Votes: 21 25.0%
  • Threat? Yes, threat to everyone imperialist in Washington, London...

    Votes: 4 4.8%
  • Stupid statement not worth to be commented

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  • Absolutely disagree

    Votes: 4 4.8%
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    Votes: 11 13.1%

  • Total voters
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jim30

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Are they?
I dont think
Tanks: 15,398
Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFVs): 31,298
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 5,972
Towed-Artillery: 4,625
Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems (MLRSs): 3,793

are unproven unexisting wunderwaffen.

In regard to land power Russia is basicly unstoppable in a short campaign in europe.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

You're funny. Can I get tickets to the rest of this weeks show please?
 

Miep

Old-Salt
So you guys think the baltics for example could be conventionally defended against a russian attack?

If you think so this forum hosts more retards then i thought.

That is how many they have in total, how many are serviceable, how many have fully trained crews, how much fuel do they have for them, how much ammunition, how many spares, what kind of equipment support can they provide?

It is all well and good pasting from a wiki article about how many vehicles they have on the books, but a push into Europe would not be a case of two blokes at a table playing top trumps, they would actually need to deploy them too.
Actualy thats less then they have in total, 8000 more t-64 and some t-72 arent even listed, not even mentioning apc and iv's reserves,

In regard how combat ready those are, well the biggest russian exercise in 2015 Center involved more euipment and manpower then most of the nato exercises combined.
 
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The Ukraine has done reasonably well holding off Russia so far. Oh sorry I mean those pesky rebels with no Russian involvement at all.

Russia has over extended itself and revealed it has neither the desire or the capability to go rampaging through Europe.
 
That's very true if you post under the name meerkatz.

The Sauds and Gulf Arabs will run out of money before the Russians do if they don't stop pumping.
You seem to be wilfully ignoring the reality that Russia is not a one trick oil economy.
What's Saudia Arabia going to sell to bring in revenue, sand?
 

Miep

Old-Salt
The Ukraine has done reasonably well holding off Russia so far. Oh sorry I mean those pesky rebels with no Russian involvement at all.

Russia has over extended itself and revealed it has neither the desire or the capability to go rampaging through Europe.
There was never more then +/- a brigade involved in ukraine, and when it was it ended with the collapse of the ukrainian forces, Debaltseve, Illovaisk...

For the rest of the time no other russian regular forces then maybe parts of some motor rifle bat. (the 9th and 15th for example) were deployed but maybe some special forces.

In ~ end 2016 the Natos eastern border will face 2 heavy russian armies, the 1st tank army and the 20th combined army.

Could someone be so kind to tell me which Nato forces are supposed to oppose them within, lets say 72h.
 
So you guys think the baltics for example could be conventionally defended against a russian attack?

If you think so this forum hosts more retards then i thought.



Actualy thats less then they have in total, 8000 more t-64 and some t-72 arent even listed, not even mentioning apc and iv's reserves,

In regard how combat ready those are, well the biggest russian exercise in 2015 Center involved more euipment and manpower then most of the nato exercises combined.
So you are unable to provide figures then? If you think those numbers are accurate you would be most definitely in for a surprise. It is hard to keep expensive, labour intensive vehicles serviceable without money.
 
There was never more then +/- a brigade involved in ukraine, and when it was it ended with the collapse of the ukrainian forces, Debaltseve, Illovaisk...

For the rest of the time no other russian regular forces then maybe parts of some motor rifle bat. (the 9th and 15th for example) were deployed but maybe some special forces.
Wait I thought there was no Russian involvement? Russian involvement has been an abject failure and cost the lives of hundreds of innocents in a plane shot down by the rebels you happily support. Well done.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
The Sauds and Gulf Arabs will run out of money before the Russians do if they don't stop pumping.
You seem to be wilfully ignoring the reality that Russia is not a one trick oil economy.
What's Saudia Arabia going to sell to bring in revenue, sand?
Russia | Economic Indicators does not paint a pretty picture (although the signals are a bit mixed). But:
  • Annual GDP - 4.1 (shrinking economy)
  • 15% inflation
  • 11% unemployment
  • 10 year sovereign debt at 10% interest (7% is generally thought to be a danger level)
The Russian economy is not in great shape. The Saudi economy, although not doing wonderfully, is less shaky than Vald's.

Wordsmith
 

Miep

Old-Salt
Wait I thought there was no Russian involvement? Russian involvement has been an abject failure and cost the lives of hundreds of innocents in a plane shot down by the rebels you happily support. Well done.
Are you **** or something? Iam proberbly the harshest anti putin member you can find on this forum.
 
Are you **** or something? Iam proberbly the harshest anti putin member you can find on this forum.
This is the sensible part of the site, if you are not capable of arguing your case without to getting all sweary then you probably won't last long here.
 
The Sauds and Gulf Arabs will run out of money before the Russians do if they don't stop pumping.
You seem to be wilfully ignoring the reality that Russia is not a one trick oil economy.
What's Saudia Arabia going to sell to bring in revenue, sand?
It costs Saudi Arabia about $10 to bring a barrel of oil to market. So, at $40 a barrel they're still making $30 profit.

How much does it cost Russia to bring a barrel to market? And what else can they sell? Gas, I suppose, but the price of that is pegged to the price of oil.....
 

jim30

LE
Russia is currently learning the hard way that having big boys toys, an attitude and a desire to start a fight cos someone looked at their woolly mammoth sized mother in a funny way is difficult if you can't afford to pay for the tickets to go to the country where people look funny at you.
 

offog

LE
Are they?
I dont think
Tanks: 15,398
Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFVs): 31,298
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 5,972
Towed-Artillery: 4,625
Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems (MLRSs): 3,793

are unproven unexisting wunderwaffen.

In regard to land power Russia is basicly unstoppable in a short campaign in europe.

200 Russian tanks found abandoned in forest

and

I am no ATO but that bomb looks like it it is tip top condition. These are the ones they are using, what is the state of the rest of their munitions?




 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
Russia is currently learning the hard way that having big boys toys, an attitude and a desire to start a fight cos someone looked at their woolly mammoth sized mother in a funny way is difficult if you can't afford to pay for the tickets to go to the country where people look funny at you.
Vlad's Russia reminds me of the USSR not long before it collapsed. Unable to compete with the west by granting it's people political freedom, it resorted to repression and control of the press. Unable to compete economically, it resorted to it's now vanished captive market in Eastern Europe. It did compete for a time militarily, but then the money ran out.

History does appear to be repeating itself. Let up hope Vlad isn't too irrational when his economy hits the rocks in late 2016/early 2017.

Wordsmith
 
It costs Saudi Arabia about $10 to bring a barrel of oil to market. So, at $40 a barrel they're still making $30 profit.

How much does it cost Russia to bring a barrel to market? And what else can they sell? Gas, I suppose, but the price of that is pegged to the price of oil.....
According to this source
Why Can Russia Compete with Saudi Arabia? - Market Realist

According to data compiled by Rystad Energy, the cost of production per barrel of crude oil is $17.20 in Russia—compared to $9.90 in Saudia Arabia.
So 1 bln brls with price about $40 per brl brings to
Russia $22.8 bln
KSA $30.1 bln
Yes difference is very big. But KSA has only oil and nothing above it.
Angola and Nigeria have a break-even cost of about $35.40 and $31.60.
As you may see Russia is in a better position.
The data suggest that the cost to produce a barrel of crude oil in the US (SPY) is $36.20. In Canada, it costs $41 to produce a barrel of crude oil.
About half of oil produced in US and Canada now are unprofitable or even bring loses.

Can Russia live 6-7 years with oil prices about $40? Yes it can. As for KSA it is not so obvious.

Edited to add. Russia is able to reduce extraction cost using devaluation of Rouble. It is not the option for KSA.
KSA has to pay high salaries for foreign specialists. Russia has own ones and their salaries are not that high.
KSA has to import everything. Russia produces a lot of equipment itself (pipes for example)
Cost of electric power in Russia is lower.
Transportation costs and delivering time for KSA is as a rule bigger (for US and European markets, for Japan, Korea and China).
 
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Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
Can Russia live 6-7 years with oil prices about $40? Yes it can. As for KSA it is not so obvious.
If that's the case, why is Russia running a budget deficit of 3% of GDP?

INTERVIEW-Russia risks higher budget deficit, must make choices - Finance Minister
With oil windfall revenues drying up rapidly, sanctions making borrowing on Western markets impossible. Meanwhile, foreign investment is shrinking, leaving Russia in line for a tough end of the decade, Siluanov told Reuters in an interview.

"Russia is faced with a difficult choice in the medium term: either to drastically cut social spending, spending on education and healthcare, and at the same time leave tax rates unchanged, or follow a path of greater spending but raise some taxes," he said.

The 2016 budget, due for its second reading in parliament this week, envisages a deficit of 3 percent of gross domestic product. However, oil prices are likely to come in at the lower end of the $40-$50-per-barrel range assumed for next year, and possibly lower, making a huge dent in state revenues, Siluanov said.
With foreign currency reserves likely to run out inside a year....

Wordsmith
 

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