Russia military strength -new reports

Do you agree with mr.Hammond that Russia is a threat to everyone on world stage?

  • Absolutely

    Votes: 28 33.3%
  • Mainly agree

    Votes: 14 16.7%
  • Rather agree

    Votes: 9 10.7%
  • Not to everyone.Russia is not a threat to Iran, China, Brazil and many others

    Votes: 21 25.0%
  • Threat? Yes, threat to everyone imperialist in Washington, London...

    Votes: 4 4.8%
  • Stupid statement not worth to be commented

    Votes: 13 15.5%
  • Absolutely disagree

    Votes: 4 4.8%
  • Who is mr.Hammond?

    Votes: 11 13.1%

  • Total voters
    84

Miep

Old-Salt
In 2014, Russian defense companies increased their sales by nearly 50 percent, accounting for 10.2 percent of the entire global market.

Read more: Best Sellers: Russian-Made Weapons Hit Record 50% Sales Growth
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Russia will start building seventh Borei-class submarine on December 18
Russia will start building seventh Borei-class submarine on December 18
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Russian Defense Ministry to purchase 200 aircraft, 30 ships, subs a year — General Staff
Russian Defense Ministry to purchase 200 aircraft, 30 ships, subs a year — General Staff
= ?

Balance is dropping more and more in favour of russia regarding a potential assault in europe in conventional numbers. Add to that the growing ability to deter a nuclear response by the Nato and the picture isnt looking very nice for states in EEurope.
 

jim30

LE
Aaaaah the latest round of fantasian forces. I've long said that if the Russians could actually deliver what they said on paper they were buying, then we'd have a problem.

The problem the Russians have is that their weapons are essentially 'wunder weapons' announced on paper, and then eventually something turns up late, in much smaller amounts than planned and still falls foul of the fact that despite having an ostensibly powerful military, it still cant crush some pesky rebels in Ukraine...

The real trick is to look at the forces they deploy with, not save for the airshow circuit. Their sole carrier is nearly 30 and usually breaks down when she so much as gets a sniff of salt water. Their escort fleet is premium cold war vintage, and most deployments of Russian surface groups involves adding a rescue tug to the mix just to avoid embarrassment.

These announcements are little more than pure fantasy - they make MOD RSS look an oracle of truth by comparison. Of course there is some procurement in Russia, but its a fraction of what people think it is, and its usually reannounced about 20 times.

Add to this the minor problem of the car crash that is the Russian economy and the only thing the Russians have got is their legion of Cyber Trolls.
 
The problem the UK have is that their weapons are essentially 'wunder weapons' announced on paper, and then eventually something turns up late, in much smaller amounts than planned and still falls foul of the fact that despite having an ostensibly powerful military, it still cant crush some pesky rebels in Basra/Afghanistan/Northern Ireland...

The real trick is to look at the forces they deploy with, not save for the airshow circuit. Their deployed aircraft are mostly nearly 30 and usually break down. Their escort fleet is mostly immediate post cold war vintage, and most deployments of UK surface groups don't have an aircraft carrier at all.

These announcements are little more than pure fantasy - they make Russia Today look an oracle of truth by comparison. Of course there is some procurement in the UK, but its a fraction of what people think it is, and its usually reannounced about 20 times.

Add to this the minor problem of the car crash that is the UK economy and the only thing the British have got is their legion of Cyber Trolls.
 
The problem the UK have is that their weapons are essentially 'wunder weapons' announced on paper, and then eventually something turns up late, in much smaller amounts than planned and still falls foul of the fact that despite having an ostensibly powerful military, it still cant crush some pesky rebels in Basra/Afghanistan/Northern Ireland...

The real trick is to look at the forces they deploy with, not save for the airshow circuit. Their deployed aircraft are mostly nearly 30 and usually break down. Their escort fleet is mostly immediate post cold war vintage, and most deployments of UK surface groups don't have an aircraft carrier at all.

These announcements are little more than pure fantasy - they make Russia Today look an oracle of truth by comparison. Of course there is some procurement in the UK, but its a fraction of what people think it is, and its usually reannounced about 20 times.

Add to this the minor problem of the car crash that is the UK economy and the only thing the British have got is their legion of Cyber Trolls.
How much is Vlad paying you?
 
I wonder if @KGB_resident says the same about us?
NATO, the West and even the USA alone are much more powerful than Russia from military point of view. Current, quite modest development of Russian armed forces is overshadowed by formidable efforts made by Washington, that tries to remain the only super power, the only global dominant force in the World.
Yes, there are some steps (mainly made by the Chinese) to challenge current geopolitical position of the USA and Russia also participates in this process but unlikely Washington would lose its status as the only super power anytime soon.
Russian military plans and realities? Yes they are different matters. Though the same can be said about the West, the USA.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
Vlad's economy is rapidly going down the shi**er. Difficult being a military superpower when you are likely to run out of money inside a year - the running out of money bit being accelerated by the high level of spending on the military.

As has repeatedly been pointed out, for the Russian economy to run a surplus, energy (specifically oil) needs to be a $80 - $90 a barrel. It is currently <$50 and Vlad is burning through his cash reserves at an alarming rate.

Wordsmith
 
Vlad's economy is rapidly going down the shi**er. Difficult being a military superpower when you are likely to run out of money inside a year - the running out of money bit being accelerated by the high level of spending on the military.

As has repeatedly been pointed out, for the Russian economy to run a surplus, energy (specifically oil) needs to be a $80 - $90 a barrel. It is currently <$50 and Vlad is burning through his cash reserves at an alarming rate.

Wordsmith
It was only the other day they were going to drive KSA out of the crude market by playing the long game.....
 
It was only the other day they were going to drive KSA out of the crude market by playing the long game.....
That's very true if you post under the name meerkatz.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
It was only the other day they were going to drive KSA out of the crude market by playing the long game.....
Yep - they were making noises they could withstand low oil prices for several years. Looks like whistling in the dark. The level of Russia's budget deficit is known - as is their level of foreign reserves. Simple maths says they run out of cash before the Saudi's.

Wordsmith
 
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Guest
Aaaaah the latest round of fantasian forces. I've long said that if the Russians could actually deliver what they said on paper they were buying, then we'd have a problem.

The problem the Russians have is that their weapons are essentially 'wunder weapons' announced on paper, and then eventually something turns up late, in much smaller amounts than planned and still falls foul of the fact that despite having an ostensibly powerful military, it still cant crush some pesky rebels in Ukraine...

The real trick is to look at the forces they deploy with, not save for the airshow circuit. Their sole carrier is nearly 30 and usually breaks down when she so much as gets a sniff of salt water. Their escort fleet is premium cold war vintage, and most deployments of Russian surface groups involves adding a rescue tug to the mix just to avoid embarrassment.

These announcements are little more than pure fantasy - they make MOD RSS look an oracle of truth by comparison. Of course there is some procurement in Russia, but its a fraction of what people think it is, and its usually reannounced about 20 times.

Add to this the minor problem of the car crash that is the Russian economy and the only thing the Russians have got is their legion of Cyber Trolls.
So- you reckon the northern fleet isn't up to much these days? ;)
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DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
Isn't it a serious indictment of the world we live in when, well into the second decade of the 21st Century, so-called "world leaders" forego the grave problems we all have and engage in kindergarten, willy-waving contests?

MsG
 
Yep - they were making noises they could withstand low oil prices for several years. Looks like whistling in the dark. The level of Russia's budget deficit is known - as is their level of foreign reserves. Simple maths says they run out of cash before the Saudi's.

Wordsmith
There are wars on the Saudi doorsteps though, that could add a nasty formula into the simple maths.

If they push Daesh into KSA and we keep them out of Iraq, oil prices go up whilst the demand for arms to Saudi goes up and the revenue on the Sales go up as that's how Saudi may pay (does Al Yamamah still exist for the Tiffies?).
 
Isn't it a serious indictment of the world we live in when, well into the second decade of the 21st Century, so-called "world leaders" forego the grave problems we all have and engage in kindergarten, willy-waving contests?

MsG
1st world problems eh.
 

Miep

Old-Salt
Aaaaah the latest round of fantasian forces. I've long said that if the Russians could actually deliver what they said on paper they were buying, then we'd have a problem.

The problem the Russians have is that their weapons are essentially 'wunder weapons' announced on paper, and then eventually something turns up late, in much smaller amounts than planned and still falls foul of the fact that despite having an ostensibly powerful military, it still cant crush some pesky rebels in Ukraine...

The real trick is to look at the forces they deploy with, not save for the airshow circuit. Their sole carrier is nearly 30 and usually breaks down when she so much as gets a sniff of salt water. Their escort fleet is premium cold war vintage, and most deployments of Russian surface groups involves adding a rescue tug to the mix just to avoid embarrassment.

These announcements are little more than pure fantasy - they make MOD RSS look an oracle of truth by comparison. Of course there is some procurement in Russia, but its a fraction of what people think it is, and its usually reannounced about 20 times.

Add to this the minor problem of the car crash that is the Russian economy and the only thing the Russians have got is their legion of Cyber Trolls.
Are they?
I dont think
Tanks: 15,398
Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFVs): 31,298
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 5,972
Towed-Artillery: 4,625
Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems (MLRSs): 3,793

are unproven unexisting wunderwaffen.

In regard to land power Russia is basicly unstoppable in a short campaign in europe.
 
Are they?
I dont think
Tanks: 15,398
Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFVs): 31,298
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 5,972
Towed-Artillery: 4,625
Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems (MLRSs): 3,793

are unproven unexisting wunderwaffen.

In regard to land power Russia is basicly unstoppable in a short campaign in europe.
That is how many they have in total, how many are serviceable, how many have fully trained crews, how much fuel do they have for them, how much ammunition, how many spares, what kind of equipment support can they provide?

It is all well and good pasting from a wiki article about how many vehicles they have on the books, but a push into Europe would not be a case of two blokes at a table playing top trumps, they would actually need to deploy them too.
 

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