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Russia laws ban 'disrespect' of government and 'fake news'

You're partly right and I was partly wrong.

New to me, especially the second part about the state(s) and its (Their)symbols. Yet another reason to dislike the German state.
 

Grey Fox

*Russian Troll*
I wouldn't think that a $10 fine is much to worry about, even in the poverty-ridden Rodina, about which Margaret Thatcher said, "
$10 is 660 roubles. R30k is near $500 or £350.
Sensitive for a poor school boy, writing comments in the internet for a low price, but not 'The End of Russian Freedom' or 'A Reign of Terror'.
 

Grey Fox

*Russian Troll*
And there you go. :)

If your neighbour doesn't like you singing anti-Putin songs, it's straight to the gulag for 14 years. No attempt to go through a proper process to determine whether sedition occured, whether the song was true or false, disrespectful or not, it's all about MONEY!!!! You pay the right amount to Putin or one of his cronies and you can say what you want. Refuse to pay the money, and 14 years in the gulag awaits. So simple. So sad. Reflection of how Putin is losing control.
He-he-he. Up to forteen years of imprison for a "speaking seditious words," is from Criminal code of Canada.
In Russia - insulting of state representatives means only reasonable fine.
 

Slime

LE
Ignorant? Says the idiot who’s happy with the FSB accessing his data. Who’s press freedom is 148th out of 180.

If you’re a product of that ‘education’ I’m happy to be free of it.

It doesn’t occur to you that they have a legitimate protest? How odd.

I think we should point out that Russia is number 148 as much as possible over the next few days.
If and when the new Russian laws are enabled they will slip a lot closer to number 180, and the trolls can look back on the 'number 148' dates with nostalgia :)
 

Sadurian

LE
Book Reviewer
I think we should point out that Russia is number 148 as much as possible over the next few days.
If and when the new Russian laws are enabled they will slip a lot closer to number 180, and the trolls can look back on the 'number 148' dates with nostalgia :)
By that time it will be seen as criticising the government and therefore lead to arrest.
 

Grey Fox

*Russian Troll*
I think we should point out that Russia is number 148 as much as possible over the next few days.
If and when the new Russian laws are enabled they will slip a lot closer to number 180, and the trolls can look back on the 'number 148' dates with nostalgia :)
Actually, those 'ratings' mean nothing. Russian media are more free than British ones, at least because there are more topics, aviable for free discussion.
 

Grey Fox

*Russian Troll*
It will be a series of cut and paste quotes and analysis will be without any sense.

He doesn't actually see the problem with such an essentially extra judicial law.

A step here and a step there and in a few years we will be back to denouncing one's neighbours for some supposed infraction as others have stated.
It is not "a step here and a step there". Already existing laws allow to punish "singers of anti-Putin songs" up to six years of prison for "extremism" or up two years of prison for "hooliganism" (as it was with Pussy Riots).
 
He-he-he. Up to forteen years of imprison for a "speaking seditious words," is from Criminal code of Canada.
In Russia - insulting of state representatives means only reasonable fine.

You do realise that Sedition is the promotion, encouragement and organisation of uprising/rebellion against the state or ruler through ones words or conduct yes?

A much more serious act than simply "being disrespectful about the government". Although any tyrant could easily spin a call to vote against the ruling party as such I suppose.
 
Oh the irony...
 
tbf the so called free press have called him a spy terrorist traitor etc etc Murdochs a yank Desmonds a porn merchant rothermere lives in france to avoid tax barclay brothers hid off the coast of sark

And your point is?
 
Let's consider who supplied you with the link...
My eyes and memory apparently. I'm following international and world politics for decades and remember the case with WWII veteran and his 'anti-Blair info' pretty well. As I remember I mentioned the case previously. At time the case caused many critical comments in the UK and I'm sure that anything similar in Great Britain will be impossible ... maybe.
 
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You have completely misinterpreted what stop and search actually is. It is not 'costly' and it is not arrest.

Stop and Search powers are used to search those that the police reasonably suspect of carrying anything illegal. Once searched, the person so stopped is asked (not 'made') to sign a form so that police oversight committees can monitor who is searched and why, and confirm that they were informed of what was happening and not unduly harassed in the process.

It is not an arrest and it does not go on a criminal record. It is the equivalent of being searched before boarding a flight, entering a club or security-sensitive conference. Wearing a protest tee-shirt and carrying a protest banner are done to draw attention to your views. I imagine there was a bit of chanting and shouting as well.

If the police are worried that members of a protest might be carrying offensive weapons or other illegal items, they will stop and search those protesters. It is, therefore, hardly surprising when the shoutiest and most obviously fervent protesters are targeted for a search.
So if the proposed new Russian legislation would give the Police right to stop, to search, to detain for a short period anybody who expressed 'disrespect' to the authorities then, if I understand you correctly, it would be absolutely democratic, lawfull and would be in line with general conception of freedom of speech and opinions.
I disagree. In fact it would give authorities a tool to effectively stop protest actions using detention of the protesters.
 
I disagree. In fact it would give authorities a tool to effectively stop protest actions using detention of the protesters.
Seriously? You allegedly vote for the Communist Party and would support the detention of protesters?
Russian Communists say election stolen by pro-Putin candidate | Reuters
Hundreds of Russian Communist Party supporters took to the central square of Vladivostok on Monday to protest against what they said was the brazen rigging of a regional election in favor of a politician backed by President Vladimir Putin.
 
Seriously? You allegedly vote for the Communist Party and would support the detention of protesters?
Russian Communists say election stolen by pro-Putin candidate | Reuters
I would like to note that I'm not a supporter of the Communist idea but ironically (or quite logically) the Comminist party is the least corrupted one among main political parties in Russia and I know personnaly one Communist MP (also mathematician as me) whom I hold in high esteem.
I don't think that street protests are effective but I'm against arbitrary detentions and agianst any laws that bounds freedoms of speech and opinions.
 
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I disagree. In fact it would give authorities a tool to effectively stop protest actions using detention of the protesters.
Seriously? You allegedly vote for the Communist Party and would support the detention of protesters?
Russian Communists say election stolen by pro-Putin candidate | Reuters
I don't think that street protests are effective but I'm against arbitrary detentions and agianst any laws that bounds freedoms of speech and opinions.
Which appears on the face of it to fly in the face of your earlier statement
 

Slime

LE
Skimming this thread, it's always interesting to read how the trolls phrase things.

When KGB said a man was 'made to sign' something it doesn't matter if it's because he is trying to embellish a person 'signing something', 'being asked to sign something' or used to people in Russia being 'made to sign' things.
Even allowing for the trolls posts being typed for eyes outside of Russia their acceptance of strict rules and lack of freedom at home is very apparent.
 

Sadurian

LE
Book Reviewer
So if the proposed new Russian legislation would give the Police right to stop, to search, to detain for a short period anybody who expressed 'disrespect' to the authorities then, if I understand you correctly, it would be absolutely democratic, lawfull and would be in line with general conception of freedom of speech and opinions.
I disagree. In fact it would give authorities a tool to effectively stop protest actions using detention of the protesters.
Detention is not part of the UK Stop and Search powers. The person being searched is not taken away or put in cells, they are not removed from any protests and they are not denied the right of protest. They are stopped in situ for as long as it takes to make a quick search of their pockets and bag, then (assuming they are not carrying anything unlawful) they are sent on their way. As I said, it is like being searched entering a nightclub or a security-sensitive conference or exhibition.

Stop and Search is heavily overseen by regulatory authorities to ensure that people are not unfairly or unduly targeted. Simply being a peaceful protestor would be unlikely to warrant a stop and search. It in no way interferers with the right of free speech or protest.

Your post simply reinforces my belief that you do not understand UK Stop and Search powers, which makes using them as your example a bad idea.

EDIT: Here is a description of the power of Stop and Search as detailed by Release, a charity which supports the rights of suspects and criminals and so hardly a source which would hold back on listing any problems with the police powers used.

Stop and Search
 
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