Russia has sent sophisticated anti-ship missiles to Syria.

#3
Dastardly Russians, interfering in the internal affairs of a sovereign state by arming one side in a civil war.

What bounders.
 
#5
Bloke who knows his stuff alert!! To be honest I think Assad is the lesser of two weevils!
In many ways Assad is fighting the west's war in Syria. Democracy was fine in the Athens of Pericles when the Athenians having five times their number in slaves could sit around talking all day. Democracy is not an Al Quada trait, the sight of one of their number cutting out and then eating a Syrian soldier's heart should tell even Cameron and Obama what will happen in Syria if the so called rebels win.
If Al Quada take Syria then Israel will have to react as will Turkey. Whats happening in Egypt will be nothing as to what will happen in Syria if a truly fanatical Islamic group takes power. From Syria to Egypt to Jordan to Turkey to Bosnia and Albania. Not to mention Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Russian Federation Islamic republics and Indonesia.
And still our utopia dwelling politicians believe they are supporting democrats.
 
#6
In many ways Assad is fighting the west's war in Syria. Democracy was fine in the Athens of Pericles when the Athenians having five times their number in slaves could sit around talking all day. Democracy is not an Al Quada trait, the sight of one of their number cutting out and then eating a Syrian soldier's heart should tell even Cameron and Obama what will happen in Syria if the so called rebels win.
If Al Quada take Syria then Israel will have to react as will Turkey. Whats happening in Egypt will be nothing as to what will happen in Syria if a truly fanatical Islamic group takes power. From Syria to Egypt to Jordan to Turkey to Bosnia and Albania. Not to mention Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Russian Federation Islamic republics and Indonesia.
And still our utopia dwelling politicians believe they are supporting democrats.
Can only say "Ditto" Let the Russians move in and support Assad.
We can only deal with a sensible regime that had some control.
It does not bode well.
 
#7
Russia is protecting itself from Al Quada, its also protecting Europe, if only the dream world politicians realised it. Sergei Lavrov understands whats happening in Syria and the risks for the west even if Hague and Kerry do not.
 
#8
It bodes very very ill if Assad falls. For all of us. It will embolden every Islamic in Europe. And with the new government in Pakistan giving free rein to the tribes in Waziristan and Baluchistan (whatever protestations they may make) we will face the whirlwind.
 

mercurydancer

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#9
In many ways Assad is fighting the west's war in Syria. Democracy was fine in the Athens of Pericles when the Athenians having five times their number in slaves could sit around talking all day. Democracy is not an Al Quada trait, the sight of one of their number cutting out and then eating a Syrian soldier's heart should tell even Cameron and Obama what will happen in Syria if the so called rebels win.
If Al Quada take Syria then Israel will have to react as will Turkey. Whats happening in Egypt will be nothing as to what will happen in Syria if a truly fanatical Islamic group takes power. From Syria to Egypt to Jordan to Turkey to Bosnia and Albania. Not to mention Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Russian Federation Islamic republics and Indonesia.
And still our utopia dwelling politicians believe they are supporting democrats.
Quite the biggest pile of bollocks I have read so far. Scaremongering or propaganda but its still bollocks. AQ are not the Syrian rebels. Thats my statement. Come up with the explanation otherwise. My explanation? Its an inter-arab conflict and nothing more. Shi'ite v Shia with a little bit of Assad's version of sticking it out added.

Assad is not fighting the west's war, he is doing his own thing and thousands are being killed because of it. No one condones that.

If you havent noticed, Pakistan dont really approve of Taliban, AQ or any of the other nasties. They have fought very hard against them.

Russians dont particularly like Islamic extremists either. I was in Domodedovo airport just a few days after the Chechen bombing. Same terminal too. The Russians have the naval base but I guess Barack, David and Vladimir are talking about that now. Shame our friend Benjamin is kept on the sidelines.
 
#10
Quite the biggest pile of bollocks I have read so far. Scaremongering or propaganda but its still bollocks. AQ are not the Syrian rebels. Thats my statement. Come up with the explanation otherwise. My explanation? Its an inter-arab conflict and nothing more. Shi'ite v Shia with a little bit of Assad's version of sticking it out added.

Assad is not fighting the west's war, he is doing his own thing and thousands are being killed because of it. No one condones that.

If you havent noticed, Pakistan dont really approve of Taliban, AQ or any of the other nasties. They have fought very hard against them.

Russians dont particularly like Islamic extremists either. I was in Domodedovo airport just a few days after the Chechen bombing. Same terminal too. The Russians have the naval base but I guess Barack, David and Vladimir are talking about that now. Shame our friend Benjamin is kept on the sidelines.
So you don't think it is better for Assad and Russia to keep the peace?
Will you volunteer to go and give service there? Do not you think we have had enough of "Adventures" in the region?
 

mercurydancer

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#11
So you don't think it is better for Assad and Russia to keep the peace?
Will you volunteer to go and give service there? Do not you think we have had enough of "Adventures" in the region?
OK I am having some difficulty in identifying in your post what is of any connection or relevance to what I have said apart from a few proper nouns.
 
#12
Quite the biggest pile of bollocks I have read so far. Scaremongering or propaganda but its still bollocks. AQ are not the Syrian rebels. Thats my statement. Come up with the explanation otherwise. My explanation? Its an inter-arab conflict and nothing more. Shi'ite v Shia with a little bit of Assad's version of sticking it out added.

Assad is not fighting the west's war, he is doing his own thing and thousands are being killed because of it. No one condones that.

If you havent noticed, Pakistan dont really approve of Taliban, AQ or any of the other nasties. They have fought very hard against them.

Russians dont particularly like Islamic extremists either. I was in Domodedovo airport just a few days after the Chechen bombing. Same terminal too. The Russians have the naval base but I guess Barack, David and Vladimir are talking about that now. Shame our friend Benjamin is kept on the sidelines.
By proxy Assad is fighting the west's war. Al Quada were not the Syrian rebels when the conflict began as the Bolsheviks were not the initial Russian government when the Romanov's were toppled, they ended up in power however as Al Quada will do if Assad goes.
Al Quada are not of Arab origin? Interesting. Of course its an inter Arab conflict with Al Quada being a constituant part. Of course people are being killed, its war, Assad didn't start it, he's defending his position, do western governments condone Assad's enemies killing but not Assad?
You'd better ask Pakistan military intelligence their real view of Islamic fundamentalism as represented by the Taliban and Al Quada.
You have experience of Russia without being Russian, its not the same thing. I hold a Russian passport and spend at least half the year in Russia. That Russians "don't particularly like Islamic extremists" is rather a strange way of putting it and not one that Russians I know would use.
 
#13
OK I am having some difficulty in identifying in your post what is of any connection or relevance to what I have said apart from a few proper nouns.
In simple terms so you can understand we should not get involved.
Hope that was clear.
 

mercurydancer

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#14
By proxy Assad is fighting the west's war. Al Quada were not the Syrian rebels when the conflict began as the Bolsheviks were not the initial Russian government when the Romanov's were toppled, they ended up in power however as Al Quada will do if Assad goes.
Al Quada are not of Arab origin? Interesting. Of course its an inter Arab conflict with Al Quada being a constituant part. Of course people are being killed, its war, Assad didn't start it, he's defending his position, do western governments condone Assad's enemies killing but not Assad's?
You'd better ask Pakistan military intelligence their real view of Islamic fundamentalism as represented by the Taliban and Al Quada.
You have experience of Russia without being Russian, its not the same thing. I hold a Russian passport and spend at least half the year in Russia. That Russians "don't particularly like Islamic extremists" is rather a strange way of putting it and not one that Russians I know would use.
In no particular order - the Pakistani military intelligence have their own agenda and it is somewhat divorced from what the Pakistani people and particularly the very well armed Pakistani military want. The Taliban have been fought against with much vigour by the Pakistanis, much to their credit.

As for Al Quaeda, it is not so much a group as a style. Like impressionist paintings or rap music. All you have to do to us in the west is to say Al Quaeda and we all tremble. Its a scary name and that is all. Its simple- just label the rebels in Syria Al Quaeda and all us westerners will crap ourselves. Only its not going to happen that way, however much you may wish it (if you do, and I wait for your confirmation that you do agree or not) We have seen through that illusion.

Assad is not fighting in the west's support of democracy, he is de facto a dictator and I can find little to support the view that the UK or US are supporting him at all, Quite the opposite. How it is going to be rectified is anyones guess. As I alluded to earlier, Russia, US and UK are not far away in their view over what should happen to Syria.

As for the Russian view of Islamic extremists - the lists of names in Park Kultury and Lubyanka stations and other stations bombed earlier are almost always laid with flowers. Most Russians I know are really not as polite as I am about Islamic extremists and would prefer to roll tanks against them.
 
#16
Agreed, unless we want to spend as much time in Syria as we have done in Iraq and Afghanistan and pay the same price in blood and treasure.
Let the Russians do a job it is their only port in the Med.
 
#17
In no particular order - the Pakistani military intelligence have their own agenda and it is somewhat divorced from what the Pakistani people and particularly the very well armed Pakistani military want. The Taliban have been fought against with much vigour by the Pakistanis, much to their credit.

As for Al Quaeda, it is not so much a group as a style. Like impressionist paintings or rap music. All you have to do to us in the west is to say Al Quaeda and we all tremble. Its a scary name and that is all. Its simple- just label the rebels in Syria Al Quaeda and all us westerners will crap ourselves. Only its not going to happen that way, however much you may wish it (if you do, and I wait for your confirmation that you do agree or not) We have seen through that illusion.

Assad is not fighting in the west's support of democracy, he is de facto a dictator and I can find little to support the view that the UK or US are supporting him at all, Quite the opposite. How it is going to be rectified is anyones guess. As I alluded to earlier, Russia, US and UK are not far away in their view over what should happen to Syria.

As for the Russian view of Islamic extremists - the lists of names in Park Kultury and Lubyanka stations and other stations bombed earlier are almost always laid with flowers. Most Russians I know are really not as polite as I am about Islamic extremists and would prefer to roll tanks against them.
Pakistani military intelligence seem an army within an army and an out of control one at that. That they have their own agenda is clear. That the Taliban have been fought against with much vigour by certain sections of the Pakistani army is, as you say, very much to their credit.
What the Pakistani people want seems to vary dependent on which part of the Pakistani Federation one is in and the level of real, as opposed to religious, education of those one is talking with. It also seems to depend on how much and how far west they have traveled.
On point two you and I are in agreement, Al Quada seems a loose grouping of various interest that gravitate both towards and away from each other according to perceived need. I very certainly do not wish Al Quada to come to the fore in Syria or anywhere else. That religious fanatics will take power in Syria if Assad goes seems however a given thing. Who else is there to fill the void?
Of course Assad's a dictator, as would be whoever takes over. As Mubarak was in Egypt and as Morsi seeks to be in his place.
Point four, your politeness does you credit, the mark of an Englishman! We both agree however on what the man and women on the Moscow Metro would like to see happen to them.
 

mercurydancer

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#18
In simple terms so you can understand we should not get involved.
Hope that was clear.
Well, I thought that my comment about Vladimir, David and Barack talking about Syria would have been a clue but I think such complexities as naming the heads of different nations discussing a common problem is beyond you. To make it clear to you, in terms that even you can understand, that David (Cameron) Prime Minister, Barack (Obama) President of USA and quite a powerful chappie and Vladimir (Putin), President of Russian Federation are currently talking about what to do with Syria. They are talking about it. This is a good thing. It is a very good thing. Chemical weapons are baaaaaaaad.... very baaaaaaaaaad. Dave, Vlad and Barry talking means that the USA and UK are not going to battle the Russians. This is a good thing. A very good thing indeed. Is that any clearer?
 
#19
Let the Russians do a job it is their only port in the Med.
I doubt the American public has any taste left for another war, or the British either.
I am the OP of a thread regarding Ben Parkinson, to be brutal the British public do not want to see any more Ben Parkinson's, this time coming out of Syria. Nor do the Americans.
 
#20
Well, I thought that my comment about Vladimir, David and Barack talking about Syria would have been a clue but I think such complexities as naming the heads of different nations discussing a common problem is beyond you. To make it clear to you, in terms that even you can understand, that David (Cameron) Prime Minister, Barack (Obama) President of USA and quite a powerful chappie and Vladimir (Putin), President of Russian Federation are currently talking about what to do with Syria. They are talking about it. This is a good thing. It is a very good thing. Chemical weapons are baaaaaaaad.... very baaaaaaaaaad. Dave, Vlad and Barry talking means that the USA and UK are not going to battle the Russians. This is a good thing. A very good thing indeed. Is that any clearer?
NO
 

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