Russia flies new fighter prototype

#2
I think you'll find that fighter planes are a luxury that civilised countries can't afford, so this story has no relevance whatsoever. :p
 
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angular said:
I think you'll find that fighter planes are a luxury that civilised countries can't afford, so this story has no relevance whatsoever. :p
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We're still spunking squillions up the wall on last year's model.

Oh. I see what you mean about 'civilised'.
 
#5
Interesting. Bet it is cheaper than a f-22 too.

Russians may not have the capability of the US in technology but they have a tradition of making job stuff.

Expect to see it run out a lot quicker than anything western as well.
 
#6
I see they've got a joint development plan with India too. Given that we throw India hundreds of millions, does this mean we are indirectly funding the Russian military?
 
#7
So is this going to render the RAF's Typhoon's obselete within a few years then? Bearing in mind that these are the UK's primary AD fighters and that F35 is optimised for air-to-ground?
 
#8
"Perfect" is the enemy of "good enough" Admiral Gorshkov had that hung on his wall and the Russians live by it.

They will always accept the 90% solution rather than do what we do, spend another 5 years and £Billions trying to get a perfect answer.

A perfect example of the Russian thinking is the Sukhoi SU-27. We design the turbines on our fighters at huge expense to make them able to withstand foreign object ingestion without wrecking themselves… the Russians? Some mesh screens in the intakes and a mudguard on the nosewheel… cheap, simple and works perfectly.


Current Sukhoi's run about 50-75% of comparable Western fighters, so I would expect the PAK-FA to not only undercut the already late and very expensive stealthy F-35 by a good margin, it's going to have a much higher performance too.
 
#9
A perfect example of the Russian thinking is the Sukhoi SU-27. We design the turbines on our fighters at huge expense to make them able to withstand foreign object ingestion without wrecking themselves… the Russians? Some mesh screens in the intakes and a mudguard on the nose wheel… cheap, simple and works perfectly.
Reminds me that NASA spent a lot making a pen that would write in space, soviet cosmonauts used pencils.

Very Russian.

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#10
Worth noting that the Russian Air Force hopes to acquire it by 2015. That's bloody fast work.
 
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King_of_the_Burpas said:
Worth noting that the Russian Air Force hopes to acquire it by 2015. That's bloody fast work.
I hope to win the Lottery by 2012. Hope is not a strategy (I didn't make that up, but I wish I had).
 
#12
angular said:
King_of_the_Burpas said:
Worth noting that the Russian Air Force hopes to acquire it by 2015. That's bloody fast work.
I hope to win the Lottery by 2012. Hope is not a strategy (I didn't make that up, but I wish I had).
They have more chance of achieving 2015 than you ever have of winning the lottery :D
 
#13
angular said:
King_of_the_Burpas said:
Worth noting that the Russian Air Force hopes to acquire it by 2015. That's bloody fast work.
I hope to win the Lottery by 2012. Hope is not a strategy (I didn't make that up, but I wish I had).
When you hope to win the lottery its like hoping the MoD will sort out the F 35 on time. I suspect the Russian Air Force (and Government) and its design bureaus have a rather different relationship dynamic.
 
#14
cupoftea said:
angular said:
King_of_the_Burpas said:
Worth noting that the Russian Air Force hopes to acquire it by 2015. That's bloody fast work.
I hope to win the Lottery by 2012. Hope is not a strategy (I didn't make that up, but I wish I had).
When you hope to win the lottery its like hoping the MoD will sort out the F 35 on time. I suspect the Russian Air Force (and Government) and its design bureaus have a rather different relationship dynamic.
I would imagine so....

Russian Air Force: This is what we want with X,Y & Z

Design Bureau after a couple of years: This is what your'e getting, it does X & Y, but can't do Z, take it or leave it!
 
#15
King_of_the_Burpas said:
Worth noting that the Russian Air Force hopes to acquire it by 2015. That's bloody fast work.

The big advantage they have is they don't gold plate the designs with nice to haves and push the projects out into the long grass for years.

Take the SU-27, the Russian AF wanted a fighter, they got a fighter that was just that, a fighter - You want to drop bombs? OK, that will mean a follow on design Comrade General, meanwhile, here is your fighter.
 
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bakerlite said:
Reminds me that NASA spent a lot making a pen that would write in space, soviet cosmonauts used pencils.

Very Russian.

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Just a little correction - NASA spent nothing on the developement of the "Space Pen". Fisher, the manufacturers, designed and built a pen that would write in all conditions and on just about all surfaces, NASA just bought some!
 
#17
Flying Felix said:
bakerlite said:
Reminds me that NASA spent a lot making a pen that would write in space, soviet cosmonauts used pencils.

Very Russian.

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Just a little correction - NASA spent nothing on the developement of the "Space Pen". Fisher, the manufacturers, designed and built a pen that would write in all conditions and on just about all surfaces, NASA just bought some!
And the pencil thing is an urban myth (pieces of lead/graphite floating around in space are FOD's)...

Pen-to-flight in 5 years beats Western timescales in any language.
 
#18
Tool said:
Flying Felix said:
bakerlite said:
Reminds me that NASA spent a lot making a pen that would write in space, soviet cosmonauts used pencils.

Very Russian.

B
Just a little correction - NASA spent nothing on the developement of the "Space Pen". Fisher, the manufacturers, designed and built a pen that would write in all conditions and on just about all surfaces, NASA just bought some!
And the pencil thing is an urban myth (pieces of lead/graphite floating around in space are FOD's)...

Pen-to-flight in 5 years beats Western timescales in any language.
Not to mention that an ordinary 20p Bic biro will work just fine on board the ISS...
 
#19
cometcatcher said:
Not to mention that an ordinary 20p Bic biro will work just fine on board the ISS...
Really, how do they ensure a steady flow of ink to the ball without gravity?

Edited to add:

I'm taking the p1ss, it's just that if they are I'd be interested to know how.
 
#20
You can't deny it is a very attractive aircraft. Its closer to the abandoned YF-23 than the F-22 Raptor in appearance.

No doubt the crabs will be running the slide rule over it at the weekend and will probably conclude that Tranche 3 Eurofighter has just gone down the swanny. They will have to plan for a 5th generation fighter of their own now as you can depend that China will soon have something not too disimilar and they are bound to try to sell a few beyond India in the next decade.
 

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