Russia detains American in Moscow on suspicion of spying

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Russia detains American in Moscow on suspicion of spying
US officials have demanded access to an American citizen who has been detained in Russia on suspicion of being a spy, saying it expected the Kremlin to abide by its obligations under the Vienna convention.
The statement by the state department came hours after Russia’s domestic security service said an American had been arrested on Friday “while carrying out an act of espionage”.
Vienna convention? HMG demonstrated that the right for consular access is not absolute. For this or that reason (for security considerations) it could be delayed or restricred. Also the American could 'not want' consular access himself.
The FSB, the successor to the Soviet-era KGB, said in a statement, published in Russian, that a criminal case had been opened “under article 276 of the criminal code (espionage)”. The name of the detained American appeared to translate as Paul Whelan, but no details, including evidence of the nature of the alleged spying, were given.
I suspect that in the near future some US/UK citizens could be detained.
 
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Why? Or are you saying the FSB arrest people on a whim?
Some Russians, who were recovering from an attack on them by agents of their own Government, declined consular access from that Government, so obviously this sets a precedent for the entirely identical* scenario where someone is arrested on suspicion of an illegal act.

*identical if you are Russian and an eternal victim
 
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Russia detains American in Moscow on suspicion of spying

Vienna convention? HMG demonstrated that the right for consular access is not absolute. For this or that reason (for security considerations) it could be delayed or restricred. Also the American could 'not want' consular access himself.

I suspect that in the near future some US/UK citizens could be detained.

When did the UK demonstrate the right to consular access is not absolute?

Please don't try to include the outright LIES*to tried to spin in Salisbury thread where you pathetically tried to say that the right to consular access for a Russian citizen who had been arrested or detained counted in the case of the Skripals who HADNT been arrested, HADNT been detained and WERENT covered by consular access rules.

I realise that as you are a private Russian citizen so your views will be as unofficial and as uninformed as any other Russian who has ZERO inside information here :)

*I say lies as you say you are clever, just just being wrong due to you being too stupid to understand shouldn't be an option.
 
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Some Russians, who were recovering from an attack on them by agents of their own Government, declined consular access from that Government, so obviously this sets a precedent for the entirely identical* scenario where someone is arrested on suspicion of an illegal act.

*identical if you are Russian and an eternal victim
How old are you to believe this fairy tale?
 
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How old are you to believe this fairy tale?
A yes, the completely expected response. Nothing we were told about the Skripals is true, it is all a “fairy story”

You and your Government have been spinning this event like mad since it happened to try and cover up the Russian Government’s culpability in what amounts to an act of war. I don’t see any reason why you would stop now.
 
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Before we go on to hear more propaganda from the Russian paid trolls who are paid to try to spread doubt and propagate lies we should also bear in mind:

While the trolls will try to compare the Salisbury case that WASNT covered by consular access rules to the current case where the consular access rules DO apply.
It's worth noting that while the usual paid liars bleated on about a lack of consular access to the Skripals, and while the Russian state bleated on that they thought the lack of consular access was unfair we have to remember whether Russia 'officially demanded' consular access under a relevant treaty, or if they took the case to the UN or through the legal system.

If not (many of you will know without looking) then any sensible reader would wonder why a big state like Russia, a state that's a permanent member of the UN Security Council chose NOT to take that route.
If they wanted to see the Skripals, and IF they had a RIGHT to see them why would they just do nothing?
While the answer is obvious to honest posters already I just thought I'd mention it in advance of the lies and propaganda that will appear from 'private citizens' of a certain state :)
 
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How old are you to believe this fairy tale?
Excellent, provide the evidence that it is a fairy tale and we can move on.

Don't bother with your 'cellar with rats in' nonsense.

Edit.
I wouldn't be surprised if its eating up the insides if some if your fellow Russians that they still haven't found the sources of the leaks that gave away the source of the Novichock.
 
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A yes, the completely expected response. Nothing we were told about the Skripals is true, it is all a “fairy story”

You and your Government have been spinning this event like mad since it happened to try and cover up the Russian Government’s culpability in what amounts to an act of war. I don’t see any reason why you would stop now.
Rt.hon. highly esteemed mr.Blair at time told something that was not exactly truth. Mr.Johnson also lied and recognised it. So are British politicians trustworthly? Or they as other politicians are liars?
 
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Rt.hon. highly esteemed mr.Blair at time tell something that was not exactly truth. And mr.Johnson also lied and recognised it. So are British politicians trustworthly? Or they as other politicians are liars?
We already know that M. Putin and M. Lavrov are liars, afte their denials and subsequent admissions as to the identity of the “Green Men” who illegally occupied Crimea.

Not to mention the lies told in the Skripal affair that were subsequently exposed.
 
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So Sergei, do you think the Russian Government really wants to use a wholly laughable excuse to deny consular access to an arrested, alleged, spy and set up an iron-clad precedent for the US to potentially follow in the future?
Perhaps the GRU can expect a Russia quarter at Gitmo. At least there will be no slush.
 
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We already know that M. Putin and M. Lavrov are liars, afte their denials and subsequent admissions as to the identity of the “Green Men” who illegally occupied Crimea.

Not to mention the lies told in the Skripal affair that were subsequently exposed.
Surprise. At last you understand that all politicians are liars. Congratulations! If something was told by politicians and can not be confirmed by any independent source then their claims cost less than half penny.
 
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We already know that M. Putin and M. Lavrov are liars, afte their denials and subsequent admissions as to the identity of the “Green Men” who illegally occupied Crimea.

Not to mention the lies told in the Skripal affair that were subsequently exposed.
To be fair to KGB he has to try to stay with talking about politicians. While he has tried to deflect by mentioning a EX prime minister of the UK when the then CURRENT Russian politicians were mentioned he does have to try to stay at that level.

If he was dragged down to the level of the people actually involved in the Salisbury case he can't point to anything the Skripals said or that Nick Bailey said that was correct, but knows full well that the claim of snow from the two tourists/GRU agents can't be completely shown to be a lie as they are shown in numerous videoes with no snow!

As he knows that the GRU pair have been 100% shown to be liars he won't want to bring them up as he will have also seen their relatives, former friends and people from where they lived saying they were GRU. He will know that despite them saying they have a business that they have no interactions in business prior to their interview on RT.
He will have seen his fellow Russians saying the RT interview was a joke and that the pair were obviously telling lies.

He will know that Putin himself said the pair weren't Russians and that the Russian state didn't know of the pair.............before then saying he did know them and the banes were real.
 
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Rt.hon. highly esteemed mr.Blair at time told something that was not exactly truth. Mr.Johnson also lied and recognised it. So are British politicians trustworthly? Or they as other politicians are liars?
Show the lies that Johnson made, I bet you can't.
And what has this case to do with the UK?

Two questions you will not be able to answer.
 
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So Sergei, do you think the Russian Government really wants to use a wholly laughable excuse to deny consular access to an arrested, alleged, spy and set up an iron-clad precedent for the US to potentially follow in the future?
Perhaps the GRU can expect a Russia quarter at Gitmo. At least there will be no slush.
On a serious note, I believe that Russian authorities will strickly follow the Vienna convention. The detained person is not British but US citizen and it matters.
However, it can not be excluded that British citizens being detained could have only restricted and/or delayed consular access.
 
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@KGB_resident
YOU SAY THAT ALL POLITICIANSARE LIARS, you will note that Russian politicians have said this American was arrested on spying charges!

You aren't very good at this game are you?
 
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On a serious note, I believe that Russian authorities will strickly follow the Vienna convention. The detained person is not British but US citizen and it matters.
However, it can not be excluded that British citizens being detained could have only restricted and/or delayed consular access.
As, your boss has pointed out your error, or, you are changing your story as your previous attempt to try to compare to the Salisbury affair backfired.
 
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On a serious note, I believe that Russian authorities will strickly follow the Vienna convention. The detained person is not British but US citizen and it matters.
However, it can not be excluded that British citizens being detained could have only restricted and/or delayed consular access.
Are you saying that after they complained do much about the rules that Russia might break the very rules they complained about?

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And, as you say you are a private citizen what led you to conclude this?
Why do you feel you have insight into how the Russian state will act?
 

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