Russia acts against false history

#1
Russia acts against 'false' history

What is worrying Russia? Why is the country convinced that it is the victim of a campaign to make it look bad?

President Dmitry Medvedev recently announced the setting up of a commission to counter the falsification of history. He said this was becoming increasingly "severe, evil, and aggressive".

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#2
I really dont care what Ivan thinks tbh.

Russia is a belligerent, bullying, asiatic nation and is and for the forseable future be an enemy of Great Britain and the West.

The fact is they WERE as bad as Nazi Germany, did occupy the nations they 'liberated' and installed puppet regimes.
 
#3
In Putin's russia, Poem writes you! A leopard never changes its spots...
 
#4
Anyone else see the parallels to the actions of Germany in the 1930's?
 
#5
in_the_cheapseats said:
Anyone else see the parallels to the actions of Germany in the 1930's?

No, no, no. We can't be saying things like that, it underines the whole Afghanistan centric defence spending arguments that have been going on around here for ages.
If we were to suggest that Russia may be a threat at some point in the near future it upsets all sorts of arguments about Typhoon and aircraft carriers....
 
#6
jagman said:
If we were to suggest that Russia may be a threat at some point in the near future it upsets all sorts of arguments about Typhoon and aircraft carriers....
Surely the point of Typhoon was to be able to take on the Russian Fulcrums and Flankers?

And as for the carriers- well, the Invincibles were for ASW duty filling the Greenland-Iceland-UK gap, surely the new carriers could do the job- after all, it's just a matter of embarking the appropriate air group.
 
#7
Magdovus said:
jagman said:
If we were to suggest that Russia may be a threat at some point in the near future it upsets all sorts of arguments about Typhoon and aircraft carriers....
Surely the point of Typhoon was to be able to take on the Russian Fulcrums and Flankers?

And as for the carriers- well, the Invincibles were for ASW duty filling the Greenland-Iceland-UK gap, surely the new carriers could do the job- after all, it's just a matter of embarking the appropriate air group.
Whooosh!
 
#8
Magdovus said:
jagman said:
If we were to suggest that Russia may be a threat at some point in the near future it upsets all sorts of arguments about Typhoon and aircraft carriers....
Surely the point of Typhoon was to be able to take on the Russian Fulcrums and Flankers?

And as for the carriers- well, the Invincibles were for ASW duty filling the Greenland-Iceland-UK gap, surely the new carriers could do the job- after all, it's just a matter of embarking the appropriate air group.
I think jagman was (correctly) inferring that it's the arguments against Typhoon and the carriers that are ball.
 
#9
Russia is a danger to this country. It plays by no rules it murders its own citizens, especially journalists, with impunity.We should have broken off diplomatic relations when they poisoned Litvienko with a radioactive isotope. Putin, the puppet master, has no credentials as a democrat - he was a high level functionary in the KGB. We need to be very careful about this evil, ramshackle power which is looking to create mischief in the world where ever it can.
 
#10
parapauk said:
Magdovus said:
jagman said:
If we were to suggest that Russia may be a threat at some point in the near future it upsets all sorts of arguments about Typhoon and aircraft carriers....
Surely the point of Typhoon was to be able to take on the Russian Fulcrums and Flankers?

And as for the carriers- well, the Invincibles were for ASW duty filling the Greenland-Iceland-UK gap, surely the new carriers could do the job- after all, it's just a matter of embarking the appropriate air group.
I think jagman was (correctly) inferring that it's the arguments against Typhoon and the carriers that are ball.
I was indeed Parapauk :D
Much against the flow of popular opinion I fervently believe that big shiney aircraft carriers and hundreds of Typhoon's are absolutely essential to the security of this country.
I would like to see more of both than we have planned now.
 
#11
Magdovus said:
jagman said:
If we were to suggest that Russia may be a threat at some point in the near future it upsets all sorts of arguments about Typhoon and aircraft carriers....
Surely the point of Typhoon was to be able to take on the Russian Fulcrums and Flankers?

And as for the carriers- well, the Invincibles were for ASW duty filling the Greenland-Iceland-UK gap, surely the new carriers could do the job- after all, it's just a matter of embarking the appropriate air group.
He was saying that the debate over the need for them would probably dry up. ;)


Also Harareboy and Gunga, although it would be nice to simply say we don't like Russia and therefore we should be as mean to them as we think they are mean to others, that's a rather simplistic view of how everything works...They have substantial amounts of oil and gas, both of which Europe needs and is increasingly relying more on; we also now use their infrastructure and airbases to supply Afghanistan, a vital link and as such essential to maintaining our forces there; and even in their weakened post-Soviet state wield large military/diplomatic power as the recent swathes of arms deals have demonstrated, providing support to states and governments which are even more distasteful, such as Venezuela. It would seem that simply annoying them is not helpful in any way as they do not rely on the west for anything on a substantial scale.

Machiavelli said:
Upon this, one has to remark that men ought either to be well treated or crushed, because they can avenge themselves of lighter injuries, of more serious ones they cannot; therefore the injury that is to be done to a man ought to be of such a kind that one does not stand in fear of revenge.
According to this chap your idea is not exactly going to do anything for Britain other than lose money due to loss of trade, hurt British businesses in Russia (including some fairly large ones trying to secure deals with the government at the moment such as BP), and deny our forces in Afghanistan of logistical support.
Jolly good, apply for the premiership of the labour party perhaps?


The sad fact of the matter is that Russia has an abhorrent government, along with a terrible human rights record. Annoying them is not going to help that.

P.S Why would it matter that Russia is Asiatic?
 
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P.S Why would it matter that Russia is Asiatic?

Because they are fiendishly cunning orientals :twisted:
 
#13
jagman said:
I was indeed Parapauk :D

Much against the flow of popular opinion I fervently believe that big shiney aircraft carriers and hundreds of Typhoon's are absolutely essential to the security of this country.

I would like to see more of both than we have planned now.
And lots more nukes.
 
#14
GUNGA said:
Russia is a danger to this country. It plays by no rules it murders its own citizens, especially journalists, with impunity.We should have broken off diplomatic relations when they poisoned Litvienko with a radioactive isotope. Putin, the puppet master, has no credentials as a democrat - he was a high level functionary in the KGB. We need to be very careful about this evil, ramshackle power which is looking to create mischief in the world where ever it can.
Yeah!
What he said!
Let's stick with the Americans.

Oh. Wait a minute...
 
#15
DeltaDog said:
jagman said:
I was indeed Parapauk :D

Much against the flow of popular opinion I fervently believe that big shiney aircraft carriers and hundreds of Typhoon's are absolutely essential to the security of this country.

I would like to see more of both than we have planned now.
And lots more nukes.
Yes that too.
If we ditch some of the expenditure on welfare type bollox than we can afford to maintain a strong defence.
 
#16
DeltaDog said:
jagman said:
I was indeed Parapauk :D

Much against the flow of popular opinion I fervently believe that big shiney aircraft carriers and hundreds of Typhoon's are absolutely essential to the security of this country.

I would like to see more of both than we have planned now.
And lots more nukes.
My opinion on that would depend on finding out exactly how well the
SA-400 does against an SLBM warhead.
 
#17
jagman said:
parapauk said:
Magdovus said:
jagman said:
If we were to suggest that Russia may be a threat at some point in the near future it upsets all sorts of arguments about Typhoon and aircraft carriers....
Surely the point of Typhoon was to be able to take on the Russian Fulcrums and Flankers?

And as for the carriers- well, the Invincibles were for ASW duty filling the Greenland-Iceland-UK gap, surely the new carriers could do the job- after all, it's just a matter of embarking the appropriate air group.
I think jagman was (correctly) inferring that it's the arguments against Typhoon and the carriers that are ball.
I was indeed Parapauk :D
Much against the flow of popular opinion I fervently believe that big shiney aircraft carriers and hundreds of Typhoon's are absolutely essential to the security of this country.
I would like to see more of both than we have planned now.
Oh... right. Yeah, I knew that. (Magdovus looks slightly embarrassed)

I agree that more carriers and F-35s would be a good call. I can't see that we need 232 Typhoons though, especially as we can't crew them.


As an aside, I have been led to understand that there are a great many senior RAF officers who are technically current and are paid as such. Should a situation demand it, how many of these officers are capable of actually flying the Typhoon, much less doing anything useful with it?
 
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parapauk said:
DeltaDog said:
jagman said:
I was indeed Parapauk :D

Much against the flow of popular opinion I fervently believe that big shiney aircraft carriers and hundreds of Typhoon's are absolutely essential to the security of this country.

I would like to see more of both than we have planned now.
And lots more nukes.
My opinion on that would depend on finding out exactly how well the
SA-400 does against an SLBM warhead.
I think nukes (or similar technology) will still be important. The delivery methods may need to change is all.
 

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#20
Eventually it will dawn on our leaders that the 21st century Russian govt is basically 20th century Fascist, with all the dangers that implies aggravated by the country having no history of respect for the right to life of any of its own people, let alone anyone else.
 

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