Ruskies capture 29 pirates

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Russian warship captures 29 pirates torygraph linky.

Given that they are happy to murder any dissident that they please in London, will they also have some common sense and just shoot this lot and throw their bodies overboard???? Here's hoping so! :)
 
#2
box-of-frogs said:
Russian warship captures 29 pirates torygraph linky.

Given that they are happy to murder any dissident that they please in London, will they also have some common sense and just shoot this lot and throw their bodies overboard???? Here's hoping so! :)
Lets hope they do, but i bet someone from a goody two shoe Human Rights Org complains!
 
#6
I hope very soon they'll be 'Angry Pirates'... :p

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#7
A story I heard years ago when hostages were being taken in Beirut - a couple of Russians were taken hostage by a local warlord. The local KGB rep found out who this warlord was and sent his son's head to him in a box. The Russians were released next day.
 
#8
Or there's the anecdote about how the Russian Ambassador to Tehran called on the Iranian Foreign Minister the day after the US Embassy staff were taken hostage. He poured a handful of sand onto the middle of the table before telling him that was what Tehran would look like 1 hour after the first Revolutionary Guard set foot inside his compound.

He then left without another word. They like their hardball, the Ruskies. :)
 
#9
bumroll said:
Lets hope they do, but i bet someone from a goody two shoe Human Rights Org complains!
Presumably they'll complain so that they can find out the Russian for 'You can * right off'?

The Lebanon story about the KGB has a variation which says that they picked up the warlord's brother (or similar relative), put a single round into the back of his head, removed his testicles, sewed them into his mouth and Fed Ex'd the body back to the warlord with a note saying that they knew where he, his family and his key supporters lived, and would he perhaps like to hand the Russian hostages back in one piece before further misunderstandings occurred.
 
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box-of-frogs said:
Russian warship captures 29 pirates torygraph linky.

Given that they are happy to murder any dissident that they please in London, will they also have some common sense and just shoot this lot and throw their bodies overboard???? Here's hoping so! :)
Sadly, the fact that we've now actually heard about it probably means that they will be released or used as a political bargaining chip somehow :(

I heard recently that a Beligium warship captured some of these sh1tty little gun-totting thugs (i refuse to honour them with the name 'pirates') but had to let them go because NATO has no mandate to hold prisoners! :x In the radio interview it sounded like the Belgium Commander was 'less than happy' about it himself :!:
 
#11
Werewolf said:
The Russians took PRISONERS?!?! 8O

Even the Ivans are going soft! :twisted:
Maybe there were more but the Russkies ran out of ammo?
 
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They force the pirates to disembowel each other, then they are orderd to toss themselfs overboard, while the whole event gets filmed, made into D.V.Ds for "entertainment perposes" for the rich.
 
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mnairb said:
A story I heard years ago when hostages were being taken in Beirut - a couple of Russians were taken hostage by a local warlord. The local KGB rep found out who this warlord was and sent his son's head to him in a box. The Russians were released next day.
I've heard it said that: Ethics, like sobriety, are something completely alien to the Russian mindset. :twisted: We could probably take a leaf out of their book on how to deal with these fvcks.

Like the one about their ambassador in Tehran as well - pure menacing understatement :D
 
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I heard a variation on the pile of sand on the Iranian desk... something along the line of the KGB Station Chief arriving in the office, taking off his watch, dropping it on the floor and crushing it with his heel with the warning "any hassle and that is what will happen to [their holiest city of] Qom". Either way, not problems occurred, but then back in the day if not actively supporting terrorist / anti-Western actions the Soviets had a vested interest in seeing devilment made for the West. It would seem they only had a problem if the local flip-flops confused every "white" face with being Western...
 
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Archangel said:
I heard recently that a Beligium warship captured some of these sh1tty little gun-totting thugs (i refuse to honour them with the name 'pirates') but had to let them go because NATO has no mandate to hold prisoners! :x In the radio interview it sounded like the Belgium Commander was 'less than happy' about it himself :!:
That is a stupid excuse for releasing them. Not specifically familiar with UNCLOS (where I guess the allowed measures would be described) I can not comment on the legal sit. However, the EU Joint Action for Ops EU NAVFOR Atalanta states:
(e) in view of prosecutions potentially being brought by the relevant States under the conditions in Article 12, arrest, detain and transfer persons who have committed, or are suspected of having committed, acts of piracy or armed robbery in the areas where it is present and seize the vessels of the pirates or armed robbers or the vessels caught following an act of piracy or an armed robbery
and which are in the hands of the pirates, as well as the goods on board;
(f) liaise with organisations and entities, as well as States,
working in the region to combat acts of piracy and
armed robbery off the Somali coast, in particular the
‘Combined Task Force 150’ maritime force which operates
within the framework of ‘Operation Enduring Freedom’.
The entity that has declared itself willing to take the prisoners is Kenya:

With reference to my letter dated 14 November 2008 and your letter dated 5 December 2008, I have the honour to confirm the intention of the European Union to conclude with the Government of Kenya an
Exchange of Letters with a view to defining the conditions and modalities for the transfer of persons suspected of having committed acts of piracy on the high seas and detained by the European Union-led naval force (EUNAVFOR), and seized property in the possession of EUNAVFOR, from EUNAVFOR to Kenya, and for their treatment after such transfer.
(Exchange of letters EU-Kenya)

So why are they released? Someone doesn't want to import a problem which is so nicely out of the way at the Horn of Africa... or has dumped nuclear waste there, allegedly. Naaaah
 
#16
para_medic said:
Archangel said:
I heard recently that a Beligium warship captured some of these sh1tty little gun-totting thugs (i refuse to honour them with the name 'pirates') but had to let them go because NATO has no mandate to hold prisoners! :x In the radio interview it sounded like the Belgium Commander was 'less than happy' about it himself :!:
That is a stupid excuse for releasing them. Not specifically familiar with UNCLOS (where I guess the allowed measures would be described) I can not comment on the legal sit. However, the EU Joint Action for Ops EU NAVFOR Atalanta states:
(e) in view of prosecutions potentially being brought by the relevant States under the conditions in Article 12, arrest, detain and transfer persons who have committed, or are suspected of having committed, acts of piracy or armed robbery in the areas where it is present and seize the vessels of the pirates or armed robbers or the vessels caught following an act of piracy or an armed robbery
and which are in the hands of the pirates, as well as the goods on board;
(f) liaise with organisations and entities, as well as States,
working in the region to combat acts of piracy and
armed robbery off the Somali coast, in particular the
‘Combined Task Force 150’ maritime force which operates
within the framework of ‘Operation Enduring Freedom’.
The entity that has declared itself willing to take the prisoners is Kenya:

With reference to my letter dated 14 November 2008 and your letter dated 5 December 2008, I have the honour to confirm the intention of the European Union to conclude with the Government of Kenya an
Exchange of Letters with a view to defining the conditions and modalities for the transfer of persons suspected of having committed acts of piracy on the high seas and detained by the European Union-led naval force (EUNAVFOR), and seized property in the possession of EUNAVFOR, from EUNAVFOR to Kenya, and for their treatment after such transfer.
(Exchange of letters EU-Kenya)

So why are they released? Someone doesn't want to import a problem which is so nicely out of the way at the Horn of Africa... or has dumped nuclear waste there, allegedly. Naaaah
The fact that it was a stupid situation (just involved letting these thugs off to go out and do it again) was pretty much the gist of the news report on Radio 4.

There appeared to be issues with International law/ maritime law/ Belgium law/ the terms of either the NATO or UN mandate under which the warship was operating and whether these 'pirates' were in international waters etc. although i'm not an expert in these matters.
 
#17
Article105

Seizure of a pirate ship or aircraft

On the high seas, or in any other place outside the jurisdiction of any State, every State may seize a pirate ship or aircraft, or a ship or aircraft taken by piracy and under the control of pirates, and arrest the persons and seize the property on board. The courts of the State which carried out the seizure may decide upon the penalties to be imposed, and may also determine the action to be taken with regard to the ships, aircraft or property, subject to the rights of third parties acting in good faith.
According to UNCLOS no problem...
 
#18
para_medic said:
Article105

Seizure of a pirate ship or aircraft

On the high seas, or in any other place outside the jurisdiction of any State, every State may seize a pirate ship or aircraft, or a ship or aircraft taken by piracy and under the control of pirates, and arrest the persons and seize the property on board. The courts of the State which carried out the seizure may decide upon the penalties to be imposed, and may also determine the action to be taken with regard to the ships, aircraft or property, subject to the rights of third parties acting in good faith.
According to UNCLOS no problem...
Yes, that seems clear enough. It could be that the Belgium Commander just wanted to get rid of a political 'hot potato' :?
 
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At the moment Russians are discussing several basic options: to bring the pirates to the Russian Federation and trail them in Russian court; to give them into the jurisdiction of any of the states - participants of anti-piracy coalition; or to pass the pirates onto one of the states in the region for further investigation.
 

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