Rumsfeld: Chavez Is Like Hitler

#1
From the Associated Press.

US Sec. of Defense Donald Rumsfeld compared Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez to Hitler. He said that the analogy carried particular force considering that both Chavez and Hitler were elected.

"I mean, we've got Chavez in Venezuela with a lot of oil money," Rumsfeld added. "He's a person who was elected legally — just as Adolf Hitler was elected legally — and then consolidated power and now is, of course, working closely with Fidel Castro and Mr. Morales and others."

Rumsfeld Likens Chavez's Rise to Hitler
Friday, February 03, 2006
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183700,00.html
 
#2
Have been following the election of Evo Morales in Bolivia quite closely off & on....

Find it highly entertaining that he and Hugo Chavez are courting Castro and generally doing what they can to piss off the Whitehouse.

Long may it continue.

Bush mouths off platitudes about supporting and even *cough* exporting *cough* democracy, but seems to have trouble when some freely elected peoples/parties dont support his administration views and obediently toe the US line.
 
#4
Taz_786 said:
The whole of S.America is turning Left.
Oooh, I can see a vacancy. Where's Little Ollie North when you need him?
 
#8
After the Hamas election win, I noticed a lot of US (and Israeli) commentators were banging on about Hitler coming to power via the ballot box, and what an awful person he was. This was of course, in response to questions that democracy is a sign of the will of the people and it's what you wanted, isn't it? Now we have the Rum one making the same analogy with Chavez.

Is this the latest US foreign policy initiative:
1) If they're not democratic, we condemn and attack.
2) If they are democratic, we draw parallels with Hitler, and then condemn and attack.

We all know that Hitler was a wee bit naughty. The Iranian President keeps getting flak for making comments suggesting the denial of the holocost. Surely, if denying such a things is considered unhelpful and evil, then trying to accuse somebody of being similar must be worse. What am I saying? Let's not jump on the band wagon and accuse Iran for spouting hot air - because that's all it is - when 'friends' closer to home are no better!
 
#9
exile1 said:
how can you follow something closely on and off ffs:?:
weyhey - and here comes Capt Pedantic...... way to go!!

Any minute now you''l be joined by your friends - the Spelling Police and Grammar Nazi's.

Meant follow it closely as in - search on news sites for updates, progress, what the latest is......... on/off as in not performing aforementioned searches every day.

Hope that makes you feel all warm and tingly now.
 
#10
Venezelan Pres. Hugo Chavez announced that he is considering the organization of a large militia to supplement the regular armed forces.

This may begin with Venezuela's purchase of one million Kalashnikov automatic carbines from Russia.

"President wants to arm ‘one million’" 6 February 2006
http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp?ArticleId=223183&CategoryId=10717

1. I have read elsewhere that the Bush administration voiced strong exception to the Russian's earlier sale of one hundred thousand of these weapons to the Venezuelan government..

2. I have read elsewhere that Pres. Chavez has announced that Venezuela would jail American diplomats caught engaging in espionage.

3. I have mentioned on this board reports that Pres. Chavez has lately asserted that if his government is not left in peace from USA meddling then it would shut down the USA based Citgo refineries and sell crude oil and refined products that would have gone to the USA somewhere else.
 
#11
on spam boards you get loads of venezalians whineing thats he's worse than hitler etc etc.
they are the ones who can afford computers and education :? .
chavez makes kilroy silk look trustworthy but he's survived one US inspired coup and dosn't belive the Us economic ideas are right for venezalia he's probably right there.
 
#12
Rumsfeld calling someone Hitler ! Is this not the pot calling the kettle black ?
 
#13
I once knew a Yank who had been in Brazil but his family escaped just before the tensions started hes glad now as its getting bad with the sanctions.
 
#14
Is this a "known known" a "known unknown" or an "unknown unknown"? If the bloke wasn't so bloody dangerous he'd be a bigger clown than the shaved chimp. He's probably more upset that he hasn't been able to sell him a shed load of weopons like he did to a recently deposed former customer in a sandy place.
 
#15
I think that, suprisingly, the answer might lie in two very associated things.

The first being that in 1991, Venezuela exported 1,667,000 barrels of oil to the US and this has dwindled to a mere 1,372,000 (2003) barrels and falling. It was and is no more (and probably won't be unless the country is 'liberated' the largest external supplier of oil to the US.

Not only that but Venezuela is buying arms and distributing them to 'anti-democracy' groups i.e. re-distribution of wealth, end to US dependancy.

Found this on a few US blogs:

Chavez has even threatened to cut off all oil exports to the U.S. if we don't stop meddling in his country's affairs.

I'm pretty sure that if this happened in Saudi Arabia, there would be a foreign policy panic. If the decreased flow followed a fundamentalist take-over, Chicken Littles would be all over the news. But when a socialist and admirer of Castro takes over in Venezuela, we yawn.

And yawn we should. Chavez has been terrible for Venezuela. (And it would be far worse if the high world price of oil weren't compensating for his disastrous polices). But U.S. oil imports as a percentage of GDP are pretty trivial. $132 billion on oil imports in 2004 divided by around $11 trillion GDP is about 1%. And of course, when one country sells us less, we don't necessarily cut back at all. There are lots of fish in the sea, and lots of sources of oil in the world economy.

I've often heard the quip, "If the main export from the Middle East were bananas, we could stop worrying about them." It wouldn't surprise me if most Americans thought the top export of Venezuela were bananas! It doesn't matter. They sell us less oil, the U.S. government does little about it, market prices adjust, and we get on with our lives.

On the other hand, if you think me a naive economist who knows nothing of foreign affairs, perhaps we should get tough on our current Number One foreign oil supplier.
Strange that a few have the same thoughts and the 'get tough' fits the ethos of a nation who finds dialogue and rebuttal difficult.

More fuel I hope,

P
 
#16
Private_Pike said:
Is this a "known known" a "known unknown" or an "unknown unknown"? If the bloke wasn't so bloody dangerous he'd be a bigger clown than the shaved chimp. He's probably more upset that he hasn't been able to sell him a shed load of weopons like he did to a recently deposed former customer in a sandy place.
From the New Yorker

DONALD RUMSFELD ORDERS BREAKFAST AT DENNY’S
by FRANK GANNON
Issue of 2003-06-09
Posted 2003-06-02


That’s a good question. Am I ready to order? Let me answer it a little off to the side.

First of all, there are things that we know. I can look at this menu and see that. But there’s a danger there. Do I “know” that hash browns are not included in the Original Grand Slam Breakfast? It says that on the menu, which, by the way, is nicely laminated and we’re grateful to the laminator. But getting back to the hash-brown potatoes. I should “know” that they’re not included.

The real truth is, there are no “knowns.” This is a whole new menu. Are we in the past? No. Are we using the past’s menu? No. Are there things that we know we know? Not exactly.

There are known unknowns. That is to say that there are things that we now know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. These are things that we don’t know we don’t know. Got that? I want you to note that on the check.

By the way, the Meat Lover’s Skillet is a fine piece of work. Thank you for putting that together.

Now, as far as ordering. First, juice. And a small glass of skim milk. Then, to answer the question that I know you were going to ask, yes, this maybe isn’t the healthiest place to eat, but we’re here. That much is not debatable. We’re here. Here. Not someplace else. Not there. Back in philosophy class, that’s what we used to call a “given.” Now, who said we should be here? We don’t know. Who picked this place? I can’t say. Who drove the car? I wasn’t paying attention. Who’s paying for this? That will become clear. Where do we sit? Anywhere you like. Do you like a booth or a movable seat? Makes no difference. Do you want to sit facing the door? Not at this time.

All these questions are not “givens.” We can talk about them and we will talk about them when the time is right. Now is not the time or the place to talk. It’s the time to order, and that’s exactly what we’re doing.

Now, another thing. Does this place have a hell of a lot of cholesterol on the menu? Sure. Does cholesterol result in clogged arteries? Probably. Do clogged arteries cause cardiac events? Sometimes. Is it a good idea to clog up all your arteries so your blood stops moving completely? I doubt it. Has the blood completely stopped moving in several parts of my body? Sure. Am I going to grab my chest, fall on the ground, and twist my face into a grotesque mask of pain? Absolutely. Am I gonna go ahead and order the Original Grand Slam Breakfast? You betcha.

Look. I want bacon and sausage. Now, let me stop right here. Bacon is, we all know, and nobody seriously doubts it anymore, very similar to sausage. They both come from pigs, they’re both cooked, and they’re both eaten. They’re similar. S-I-M-I-L-A-R. They’re not the same. S-A-M-E. If they were the same, I wouldn’t be ordering both of them. I don’t think the most liberal person in the world can deny that, unless he wants to maintain the existence of a parallel universe, with spacemen and ray guns.

Now, is there going to be a cost for this? Sure. Will it be a high cost? I don’t know. Am I going to pay for it? Don’t know. Am I going to pretend I’m going to the bathroom and then just bolt on the check? Maybe. Are they going to catch me getting into my car? Not if I send somebody out to start the car and pull it up right outside the door so I can just run out and dive into the back seat. Do I have a good chance of getting away with it? Absolutely. Is this a crime? I personally think of it as defending myself from breakfast items of exorbitant price. Period.

It’s just a rational way of dealing with expense, a very forward-looking, sensible way of dealing with breakfast in a very cost-conscious manner. That’s all.

Thank you very much.
 
#17
mussolini93 said:
Rumsfeld calling someone Hitler ! Is this not the pot calling the kettle black ?
NOOO!
Hitler was all about invasion with substantial foces Rumsfeld is the proponent of invasion light
Hitler was all about wholesale torture Rumsfeld is about torture light
Hitler was all about ruling the earth Rumsfeld just wants the oily bits

are we seeing a pattern here

he's like the Diet version of hitler, tastes the same, smells the same, but contains fewer calories.
 
#18
Not_Whistlin_Dixie said:
From the Associated Press.

US Sec. of Defense Donald Rumsfeld compared Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez to Hitler. He said that the analogy carried particular force considering that both Chavez and Hitler were elected.

"I mean, we've got Chavez in Venezuela with a lot of oil money," Rumsfeld added. "He's a person who was elected legally — just as Adolf Hitler was elected legally — and then consolidated power and now is, of course, working closely with Fidel Castro and Mr. Morales and others."

Rumsfeld Likens Chavez's Rise to Hitler
Friday, February 03, 2006
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183700,00.html
Hitler was NOT elected in the normal democratic manner;Maybe he just can´t find any WMD!? http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitlerdemo.htm one of many links kicking the anti-democracy whingers.
 
#19
midnight said:
Hitler was NOT elected in the normal democratic manner.
It was still legal though.

Edit - If I recall correctly, didn't Bush senior once say that Sadam was a Hitler? My memory is a little hazy on what happened next.......
 
#20
"I mean, we've got Chavez in Venezuela with a lot of oil money," Rumsfeld added. "He's a person who was elected legally — just as Adolf Hitler was elected legally — and then consolidated power and now is, of course, working closely with Fidel Castro and Mr. Morales and others."
Strange

"I mean, we've got Bush in the USA with a lot of oil money," Rumsfeld added. "He's a person who was elected legally — just as Adolf Hitler was elected legally — and then consolidated power and now is, of course, working closely with myself and the ultra conservative right and others (including some bitch PM in Eng ger land)."
 

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