Rumsfeld 'backed prisoner abuse' - Allegedly

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by PartTimePongo, May 16, 2004.

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    I inserted the word "allegedly" into the header, because Pentagon are denying there was ever such a plan.

    Especially as Rumsfeld and others are denying improper treatment of detained suspects was ever formally planned or approved.

    Maybe some of our cousins can comment on Seyomour Hirsch as a Jjournalist? Is he any good, what sort of reputation does he have and should Rumsfeld be thinking of takng up that option on a retirement condo in Florida?
  2. I'll give him until the end of the month.... Who is the new defence secretary going to be though? The mind boggles.... GQ perhaps?
  3. Teddy Kennedy (So beloved of the Septic Right-Wing) has been very vocally calling for Colin Powell to be given the job he should have had in the first place.

    Possibly Powell to the Pentagon and Richard Armitage (Vietnam era COIN/SEAL specialist) to head up State?


    Armitage - Not shy of a Pie
  4. Do you think they would take Geoff Hoon?
  5. Seymour Hersh is a well respected investigative reporter who is a little to the left of centre. By and large, US journos are held to higher standards of accuracy than ours are, and the New Yorker is well known amongst people who write for it for their extremely annoying team of 'fact checkers' who will pick apart and seek justification for almost every assertion made in any article which appears.

    Which broadly means that the sources of this story will have been checked for credibility by the New Yorker. Of course, it's possible, like the Mirror, that they have been hoaxed, but they will have tried a damn sight harder to stand the story up before printing it.
  6. Seymour Hersh oddly reminds me of one "chickenpunk." Rumsfeld's fat is in the fire, however, according to my sweet fmr USAF Col. Karen whom I too respect, don't look for a change before November . . .
  7. Of course he knew and I have the photos to prove it:

    All Mirror Journalists may please send a big fat cheque to:

    An unnamed TA barrcks
    Up North
    Full of useful props for any photo that you want

  8. Maybe they will establish that Rumsfeld gave direct orders that information be obtained from prisoners "by all necessary means", maybe they won't. They may even find a signed order, with "Give 'em one up the aarse while your at it! Don." pencilled in the margin. At the end of the day, what is going to be the worst thing that will realistically happen to the guy?
    Hounded from office in disgrace? maybe; but he is 71 years old, and has a considerable private fortune squirreled away. He would, after a decent time has elapsed, knock out a biography, which would probably have a minimum advance of $500,000, and start doing the rounds of the right-wing talk circuit, giving lectures at $1000,000 a pop, where he would no doubt be hailed as "A Giant brought low by Pygmies". The point I am trying to make, is materially it will not make much difference to him.

    On the other hand, all the dumb irks at the other end of the food chain are facing court martial, disgrace, imprisonment, un-employment, loss of pensions etc, and with a fraction of his resources to fall back on. While their actions were wicked and inexusable, they were acting in an enviroment that was a direct result of Don and his cronies consciously and deliberately circumventing the Geneva Convention. When a politician gives you the nudge and a wink to do "whatever is necessary" in a situation like Iraq, it is worth remembering that there will be a total asymmetry of consequence if the shit hits the fan.
    End of rant. God help me, I am turning into GQ! :cry:

    Just as a matter of interest, it was Seymour Hirsh who exposed the My Lai massacre in Vietnam.
  9. Excellent and fluid post.
    Rumsfeld has done more to poison planet earth in recent histroy than any man I can think of. Not only is he culpable, if not the author of, torture in Iraq and the subsequentBlowback where Brits and Americans (if the Berg video is not a hoax) are being targeted, he is also culpable in the whole Pernicious Iraqi Adventure. And let us not forget that Rumsfeld the private corporate guy was instrumental in obtaining US approval for aspartame from the FDA. Contemplating this man's history (the pic of him shaking hands with Saddam for a job well done in gassing the Kurds with US provided resources) and his deeds might well sicken a maggot.

    Result? Rummy will retire nicely with his pieces of silver and cheer on the next generation of those willing to pervert all that is good in America and England.