Rudyard Kipling - a revival is needed!

Discussion in 'Films, Music and All Things Artsy' started by castlereagh, Oct 5, 2006.

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  1. Having subverted Random Task's spy thread (apologies) with my talk about Kipling and his writing style.

    I just thought that it was amazing that such a brilliant writer and poet is basically ignored by main stream society! Yes, thanks to Disney, children know the 'Jungle Book' and some people may have seen the movie 'Kim'. But go into any book shop and will you see a full retinue of his work, no?

    Kipling was indeed a man of times a vastly proud patriot, imperialist and firm believer western superiority but if you read 'Kim', 'The Just so' stories or 'Gunja Din', you see man who celebrated and loved India.

    Just because his views are considered to be extremist, racist or whatever. How can you deny the brilliance of the man, it's appalling that such a man is excluded from the nation's curriculum and works like 'If' and 'Gunja Din' will be soon historical relics of the past.

    rant over.
  2. Nehustan

    Nehustan On ROPs

    I've not widely read Kipling, but I like him from what I've read. You get my vote ;)
  3. You didn't subvert the thread and that was not a rant but a reasoned statement. Tomorrow I shall instruct my ex wife to return my collection forthwith, or else.
  4. You didn't take the collection with you? for-shame! :wink:
  5. Just too add, it truly appalls me (and I have had many an argument on this) writers like Rushdie, Naipaul and Roy have presented some of the worst carictures of Indians ever but they are celebrated, while Kipling is vilified :roll:
  6. Kipling had the ability to understand the soldiers. One of my favourites is the eathen, a good depiction of your progress through the ranks.
  7. You are right; however I shall retrieve them as soon as and attempt to distract my son from Andy McNab with something of worth. I do like Plain Tales From The Hills Though. Perhaps I'm a lightweigth.
  8. Kipling could also be quite humerous.

    A Code of Morals
    Lest you should think this story true
    I merely mention I
    Evolved it lately. 'Tis a most
    Unmitigated misstatement.

    Now Jones had left his new-wed bride to keep his house in order,
    And hied away to the Hurrum Hills above the Afghan border,
    To sit on a rock with a heliograph; but ere he left he taught
    His wife the working of the Code that sets the miles at naught.

    And Love had made him very sage, as Nature made her fair;
    So Cupid and Apollo linked , per heliograph, the pair.
    At dawn, across the Hurrum Hills, he flashed her counsel wise --
    At e'en, the dying sunset bore her husband's homilies.

    He warned her 'gainst seductive youths in scarlet clad and gold,
    As much as 'gainst the blandishments paternal of the old;
    But kept his gravest warnings for (hereby the ditty hangs)
    That snowy-haired Lothario, Lieutenant-General Bangs.

    'Twas General Bangs, with Aide and Staff, who tittupped on the way,
    When they beheld a heliograph tempestuously at play.
    They thought of Border risings, and of stations sacked and burnt --
    So stopped to take the message down -- and this is whay they learnt --

    "Dash dot dot, dot, dot dash, dot dash dot" twice. The General swore.
    "Was ever General Officer addressed as 'dear' before?
    "'My Love,' i' faith! 'My Duck,' Gadzooks! 'My darling popsy-wop!'
    "Spirit of great Lord Wolseley, who is on that mountain top?"

    The artless Aide-de-camp was mute, the gilded Staff were still,
    As, dumb with pent-up mirth, they booked that message from the hill;
    For clear as summer lightning-flare, the husband's warning ran: --
    "Don't dance or ride with General Bangs -- a most immoral man."

    [At dawn, across the Hurrum Hills, he flashed her counsel wise --
    But, howsoever Love be blind, the world at large hath eyes.]
    With damnatory dot and dash he heliographed his wife
    Some interesting details of the General's private life.

    The artless Aide-de-camp was mute, the shining Staff were still,
    And red and ever redder grew the General's shaven gill.
    And this is what he said at last (his feelings matter not): --
    "I think we've tapped a private line. Hi! Threes about there! Trot!"

    All honour unto Bangs, for ne'er did Jones thereafter know
    By word or act official who read off that helio.
    But the tale is on the Frontier, and from Michni to Mooltan
    They know the worthy General as "that most immoral man."
  9. If you like Kipling try Saki's short stories
  10. I read Kipling in the 1940's when we needed some uplift in the war. He almost caused me to leave home and go find Kim or that flag.
    I cannot imagine any latter day chav being in any way fired up by Kipling - service to the Empire and The Queen. Most of the effect would wear off anyway as they would have to have someone read it to them.
  11. you may be right BUT whereas in the thirties some youngsters did read poetry, these chav scum do not and are a bunch of illiterate chimps!!!
  12. Barrack Room Ballards for his collected poems with a military theme - many of the poems are very apt now given our current involvement in Afghanistan.
  13. I was very fortunate and found in a book shop in Lichfield a complete set of his poems. Some really inspiring stuff in those poems. I think "If" should be recited during every leadership course.
  14. The_Duke

    The_Duke LE Moderator

  15. I don't mind his apple pies thou