Ruby Ridge

#1
Can any of you Colonials recommend a book on what happened at Ruby Ridge.

Thanks.
 
#2
FBI entrapped a farmer, seiged his house, killed his son, killed his wife (who was holding an infant) killed him, and lied about the whole affair. Sick *******.
I just saved you the cost of a book.
 
#3
FBI entrapped a farmer, seiged his house, killed his son, killed his wife (who was holding an infant) killed him, and lied about the whole affair. Sick *******.
I just saved you the cost of a book.
You ******** :)
 

B_AND_T

MIA
Book Reviewer
#4
As just a mere colonial (as you put it) there is no such place as Ruby Ridge.

It's well documented.
 
#5
Take your pick - but bear in mind most of the literature stands behind Weaver rather than the USG! Well given his outcome in the legal process, they would be foolish to say otherwise...

Alan Bock (1995). Ambush at Ruby Ridge: How Government Agents Set Randy Weaver Up and Took His Family Down. ISBN 1-880741-48-2.
Jess Walter (1995, 2002). Ruby Ridge: The Truth and Tragedy of the Randy Weaver Family, ISBN-13: 9780060007942(originally published as Every Knee Shall Bow 1995), the 2002 revised edition includes an index. The Spokesman-Review received a Pulitzer Prize nomination for its coverage of the story. ISBN 0-06-000794-X.
Gerry Spence (1996), From Freedom To Slavery: The Rebirth of Tyranny in America, St. Martin's Griffin. ISBN 978-0-312-14342-8.
Jon Ronson (2002). Them: Adventures with Extremists. ISBN 0-7432-3321-2.
Randy and Sara Weaver (1998) The Federal Siege At Ruby Ridge: In Our Own Words. ISBN 0-9664334-0-8.
Christopher Whitcomb (2001) Cold Zero: Inside the FBI Hostage Rescue Team. ISBN 0-552-14788-5.
Danny O. Coulson & Elaine Shannon (1999). No Heroes: Inside the FBI's Secret Counter-Terror Force. ISBN 0-671-02062-5
Ronald Kessler (2002). The Bureau: The Secret History of the FBI. ISBN 0-312-98977-6
Tony D. and Jackie J. Brown (2000). The First Canary: The Inside Story of Ruby Ridge and A Decade Of Cover Up. ISBN 0-9710248-0-4

To be honest they did shoot his wife but far, far worse they shot poor old Striker the dog...
 
#6
FBI entrapped a farmer, seiged his house, killed his son, killed his wife (who was holding an infant) killed him, and lied about the whole affair. Sick *******.
I just saved you the cost of a book.
Randy Weaver survived to be found innocent of all charges except Failure to Appear on the original charge of manufacturing a short barrel firearm. (even that was a screwup. He was told his original Court date was 20 March and it was actually 20 February.
 
#7
He got $100k in compensation and each of his daughters got a cool million apiece...
 

B_AND_T

MIA
Book Reviewer
#8
I have recently read a book called "Them" not about "THEM" or "Hello sweetie fancy some bum love being one of them"

It is about conspiracy theories and people views (extremists from the KKK to Ian Paisley) on The New World Order. There is a chapter on Ruby Ridge (No such place) and it is quite amusing. I shall see if I can find out the name of the author.
 
#11
Legal wrangling aside, I'd be more concerned that the US Government issued a 'shoot to kill' policy against its citizens, including the kids and animals!

The FBI/USMS (which ever was doing the killing at the time) pretty much decided to kill first, and query lter. The wife, holidng a child at the time (one year old ish) was killed by a bullet passing through a wooden wall/door. She wasn't the intended target and the sniper didn't give a fcuk that he was shooting in to a structure that was unlikely to stop a bullet and could have people in the way of hte bullet; who he had no way of knowing where the fcuk they were within the structure.

Utter balls up. And mainly down to a wrong date on a letter and a complete cluster fcuk in regards to liasion between teh myriad of US enforcement agencies involved.

Waco was simiarly bonkers, nothing like driving a bunch of whack jobs over the edge with psychological warfare and then wondering why they started acting irrationally. Especially when they were waiting for an apocolyptic event to trigger their 'rapture' or what ever it was they were waiting for, so the US enforcment agencies gave them an apocolyptic event... coplete with tanks.

Didn't the local USNG Engrs unit bulldoze the place days after the end? Nothing like a good thorough search of the compound, you know for all those illegal weapons, drug labs and all the other things they claimed were in there.
 
#14
The BATF were the bad penny that popped up both times at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Every administration has a pet Federal Agency, Bush senior had the DEA, under Clinton it was Reno and the BATF, under Bush junior (the thick one) it was "Homeland Security" and Obama seems like Kennedy his role model to be deeply in love with the special forces and CIA.

Either way the agency with the presidents ear at the time has to prove it's worth the funding by showing that they are doing something to "get tough" on who ever is that years scape goat, this can end in witch hunts and displays of paramilitary force that go tits up.
 
#16
IIRC the Marshall stepped out of cover and shot their dog in front of Sam?(later shot to death) and a family friend without indentifiying himself as a Law enforcement agent. the Kid was Backshot by the marshalls. Not a great day for Law Enforcement
 
#17
IIRC according to Christopher Whitcombe's Cold Zero, the shoot to kill policy was issued after a marshall had been killed.
highly likely...

That incident occured when a USMS 'recce' patrol (which would be like an army one, complete with ghilly suits, automatic weapons and an OP etc) disturbed the family dog. The family went out to see what was going on, the two groups met and a gun fight erupted...

The dog was killed, a young lad was shot in the back and killed and a US Marshal was killed.

It was alledged that the US Marshals shot the dog in cold blood in front of the family, as he danced and played amongst the groups.

Either way the killed US Marshal was PROVEN to have run/been moving whilst firing, he fired the most rounds in the fire fight too. Not saying he went postal or anything.

Either way, a bit of a poor show from LAW ENFORCEMENT types. A kid being shot in the back after running 6ft or so is a bit suspect, as is the remainng US Marshals bemoaning 't all happened so fast' as a defense.
 
#18
Legal wrangling aside, I'd be more concerned that the US Government issued a 'shoot to kill' policy against its citizens, including the kids and animals!

The FBI/USMS (which ever was doing the killing at the time) pretty much decided to kill first, and query lter. The wife, holidng a child at the time (one year old ish) was killed by a bullet passing through a wooden wall/door. She wasn't the intended target and the sniper didn't give a fcuk that he was shooting in to a structure that was unlikely to stop a bullet and could have people in the way of hte bullet; who he had no way of knowing where the fcuk they were within the structure.

Utter balls up. And mainly down to a wrong date on a letter and a complete cluster fcuk in regards to liasion between teh myriad of US enforcement agencies involved.

Waco was simiarly bonkers, nothing like driving a bunch of whack jobs over the edge with psychological warfare and then wondering why they started acting irrationally. Especially when they were waiting for an apocolyptic event to trigger their 'rapture' or what ever it was they were waiting for, so the US enforcment agencies gave them an apocolyptic event... coplete with tanks.

Didn't the local USNG Engrs unit bulldoze the place days after the end? Nothing like a good thorough search of the compound, you know for all those illegal weapons, drug labs and all the other things they claimed were in there.
Texas National Guard didnt bulldoze the compound. Then Gov Anne Richards had already publically had a falling out with the ATF over using Guard Hueys by claiming it was a drug lab. She said the feds could **** off in the future borrowing any gear since ATF lied on sworn statements. The CEV and Bradleys were borrowed from the 4th Infantry Division at Ft. Hood.

The even more stupid thing was the local LEO had already told ATF that Koresh jogged for 5 miles a day and they could have picked him up along the route, but it was Budget time in D.C. so ATF invited the press on a grand raid. The same Local LEO had arrested Koresh before using the ninja like tactic of simply knocking on the door and asking him to come quietly and he did.
 
#19
Did they ever find automatic weapons and a drug lab in the Branch Davidians lair?

It's amazing how many Brits were in the siege too. They weren't just a few nut jobs, but quite large and diverse. I think nearly a third of the fatalities were British, and British made up the second largest national grouping.

Branch Davidians are an offshoot from the Seventh Day Adventists... who reckon Jesus will come again (possibly on a Saturday :D ) and take the worthy. This 'rapturesque' coming will be accompanied by a apocolypse, hence the barricading and preparation for a final stand at Waco.
 
#20
Did they ever find automatic weapons and a drug lab in the Branch Davidians lair?

It's amazing how many Brits were in the siege too. They weren't just a few nut jobs, but quite large and diverse. I think nearly a third of the fatalities were British, and British made up the second largest national grouping.

Branch Davidians are an offshoot from the Seventh Day Adventists... who reckon Jesus will come again (possibly on a Saturday :D ) and take the worthy. This 'rapturesque' coming will be accompanied by a apocolypse, hence the barricading and preparation for a final stand at Waco.
"The searchers recovered the burned corpses of at least 82 bodies inside the
complex. The Rangers recovered at least 300 rifles and shotguns, including two .50 caliber BGM
rifles, 34 AR-15 assault rifles, 61 M-16 assault rifles, 61 AK-47 rifles, and 5 M-15 rifles.
Additionally, the Rangers recovered 60 pistols and thousands of pounds of live and spent
ammunition."

http://www.waco93.com/Danforth-finalreport.pdf
 
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