Rt.hon.mr.Blair: Ive been tough on crime.

#1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...WAVCBQWIV0?xml=/opinion/2007/04/28/do2806.xml

About 15 years ago, I more or less made my name on changing Labour's traditional stance on law and order. I sought to get away from what I regarded as an unnecessary polarity: the Right would argue for tougher penalties; the Left for tackling social conditions. The choice was false. The reality was: you need both, a combination of personal and social responsibility.

Over these 10 years of government, crime has fallen. This is in fact the first post-war government to buck the rising trend.
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Naturally, people will complain about the "nanny state", but, for some of these families and their children, a nanny state is what they need - for their sake as much as for ours.
No matter what is your opinion about highly esteemed mr.Blair what do you think about his approach to fighting against criminals?
 
#2
Spin spin spin.

Total recorded crime has gone down agreed but there are some forms of crime that have balloned

This is a list of TOTAL. VIOLENCE AGAINST THE PERSON crimes from 1997 to 2006. 239,340 250,827 256,070 230,756 502,788 581,038 600,922 650,330 845,085 967,234 1,048,160 1,059,913

It has gone from 239,340 to 1,059,913.

This is not a good result.

Numbers from here.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs06/hosb1206chap2a.xls
 
#3
Total recorded crime has gone down agreed
Because the way crime is recorded has been changed?
 
#4
Because some crimes are not reported because the people affected know that nothing will be done.
 
#5
PartTimePongo said:
Total recorded crime has gone down agreed
Because the way crime is recorded has been changed?

Precisely - as indeed have several 'other' areas.

It will not improve with Brown either - a bit like going from a corduroy walking stick - to cast-iron sandals,with custard shoe laces..
 
#6
He may have made a little headway, however let us not forget the quick and trouble free immigration of thousands of criminals and undesirables from all over the world!

Nice.
 
#7
Steven said:
Spin spin spin.

Total recorded crime has gone down agreed but there are some forms of crime that have balloned

This is a list of TOTAL. VIOLENCE AGAINST THE PERSON crimes from 1997 to 2006. 239,340 250,827 256,070 230,756 502,788 581,038 600,922 650,330 845,085 967,234 1,048,160 1,059,913

It has gone from 239,340 to 1,059,913.

This is not a good result.

Numbers from here.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs06/hosb1206chap2a.xls
Surprise. According to this sourse

TOTAL RECORDED CRIME:

1997 - 4 598 327
2005/6 - 5 556 513
 
#8
The 25 page dossier on Tony's legacy is just one more example of a crime that is increasing under Neue Arbeit - the crime of lying wantonly to the electorate.
 
#9
The only thing he's done to get criminals off the streets is give them cabinet jobs.

He introduced a target culture into every aspect of public life. This has led to the emphasis on reporting on delivery, which draws resources away from actually delivering. This applies to law and order as much as the NHS.
 
#10
He is right though because there is no crime outside his home, maybe due to a bobby on his door step. Look at into the real Britain bLiar and see whats really happening and the lack of beat bobbies. Wonder if he's got the stats for the amount of criminal cases brought against his party and members over the last decade compared to the previous decade?
 
#11
"Tough on crime , tough on the causes of crime". Who remembers that statement?
Violent crime especially knives and guns has exploded.
There are no prison places left
Drugs related crime is massive with the number of addicts rising
A large chunk of our GDP not to mention the lives of soldiers is going towards propping up a country that produces most of the raw materials used to feed the addicts and hence the criminal element in this country.
Spin that one Bliar you hapless ctun.
Tb
 
#12
This weekend nearly every Police Station will have some prisoners sitting in their cells due to the prison problem. I think whoever is in the hot seat will not get it right - the problem is its the drugs era.. you can't keep up with it unless you have taken a little speed.
 
#13
The problem with that is that the government/authorities believe banging people up is the way to deal with them. If they are not a danger to others I don't see this as the only way ahead.

What about extreme fining action, seizing of assets, hard labour aka community service, and other techniques?

Also, charging food and accomodation to inmates.... no more free rides.

If they fail to turn up to Community Service (think of it like ROPs) then they get banged up.
 
#16
I will have to type this quickly before the red mist makes it impossible...

Blair is the man who introduced the HRA - a Charter for sex offenders, terrorists, drug dealers and murderers. And a license to print money for their lawyers.

The police are an emasculated joke. They can't even protect themselves. The real coppers, who want to nick the bad guys and protect the public, find it almost impossible to do so. The Scrambelled Eggs are more interested in lifting Christians for daring to question if a same-sex couple was the best option for raising a child, or nicking some poor b@stard going i MPH over the speed limit.

Meanwhile violent crime has exploded and people - both civilians and coppers - are being murdered in greater numbers than at any time in living memory.

Our judges are, for the most part senile old farts so out of touch they could not connect with reality even by shouting loudly and pocking it with a very long stick.

There are parts of this country that the police have simply givin up on, where the Law of the Land no longer applies. And no matter how they spin the figures, it's getting worse.

Is this why my Grandfather's generation fought and died? Is this the reason they delivered the greatest victory in the history of the world? A country like THIS?

God help us all.
 
#17
Ozduke said:
He may have made a little headway, however let us not forget the quick and trouble free immigration of thousands of criminals and undesirables from all over the world!

Nice.
How can Tony Bliar be tough on crime, when he and his family openly endorse the 'FREEBIE' culture each time a holiday is offered, or a designer has a new-line, or a foriegn government is a helping with their children's education/employment.

ln the days that have past, certain people were given three white feathers for their actions............................ Tony Bliar is a prime canidate for 3 white feathers.

Criminals as well as desirables from all over the world: That have a bigger say than forces personal & family, recieve more benefits than the forces personal & family, entitled to decent housing accommodation than forces personal & family, no problem enrolling their children in our school education system than forces personal.

We might as well all go to France for the day, return to Dover and seek asylum, perhaps we might get better treatment.
 

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