RSM of the British Army?

#1
Other Armed Forces (US and Australian Army)have a senior NCO/WO who advises the top brass on NCO/soldiers issues.

Should the British Army have the same?
 
#2
Yes, and it should be me !

Seriosly though, I think it could be a good idea if they got the right man, ie someone with no interest in a LE Commission, who's not afraid to ruffle a few feathers.
 
#4
Mighty_Blighty said:
Yes, and it should be me !

Seriosly though, I think it could be a good idea if they got the right man, ie someone with no interest in a LE Commission, who's not afraid to ruffle a few feathers.
ahem.
 
#5
FBW said:
i think you will find thats
Garrison Sgt Major, London District
Surely you mean the Academy RSM - isn't he the most senior WO1 in the Army?

Hmm on reflection, I think that sought after position may belong to some sort of Bandsmen WO1.

Is there a Guardsman out there who can enlighten us!?
 
#6
The senior soldier(s) in the British Army are not RSMs, they are RLC Conductors, The senior RSM is the Academy RSM at RMAS followed by London District GSM. Hoorah for the RLC!
 

FBW

Old-Salt
#7
as far as i am aware G.S.M london is the senior post Bad

but i have been out of the guards a while and will await to be corrected :D
 
#9
Wrong! I think in reality the Guards RSMs are far more prestigious and have a bigger role in the army etc, but the Conductors are "Superior to any non commisioned rank but inferior to any commissioned rank".
 
#10
Last I heard (before all this PDR,SDR & PVR) The highest appointment for any WO1 is that of a conducter in the RLC. :D

I could be wrong, I could be right.

But how would a WO1 of the British Army be in touch with the infantry man and Tradesman hes supposed to represent. Isnt that the job of all the Corps RSMs, (I dont know the Infantry equivalent if there is one, sorry).

Also I thought all senior WO1s got together every couple of years and discussed this sort of thing any way.
 
#11
What a fcuking let down eh? All those famous infanteer and Cav mobs with millions of battle honours and ancient traditions and the top Joe is a blanket stacker.

Why didn't Elstree make a film with one of these cookies in it. Something like ' A blanket too far' or 'Force G1098 from Naverone'.
 
#12
Yes sorry, steered off the question.

The AcSm hosts an RSMs convention every year where a few top brass get the opinions from the trenches as it were, but there is no individual in an advisory post and i feel the present system is better, no biase to one capbadge etc. Surely the experience of dozens of RSMs is better than one
 
#13
bd123 said:
Wrong! I think in reality the Guards RSMs are far more prestigious and have a bigger role in the army etc, but the Conductors are "Superior to any non commisioned rank but inferior to any commissioned rank".
Thats why most conducters are honuary members of the officers mess rather than the seniors.
 
#16
Am sure that is not true, Conductors are still WO1s, just the appointment that is higher. Remember at shrivenham the WO1 ATO was promoted to conductor making him higher than the RMCS AcSm, much difficulty in the mess I am led to believe.
 
#17
ibilola said:
And are WO1 Conductors honorary members of the Officers Mess. Sounds unlikely to me!
Afraid so. Because the conducter is in the RLC he/she generally, is a bit un regimented, so having him take over the Senior and Junior ranks mess would not be the done thing. As it would be pulling the rug from underneath the RSM. So to get around this the conductor becomes an honoury member of the Officers mess.

Something to do with most senior NCO presiding over the mess.
 
#18
First off, Yes the Conductor RLC (Formally Conductor RAOC) are the Senior Warrant Officers in the Army.

As in most things:

THE QUEEN'S REGULATIONS FOR THE ARMY 1975
(Amendment No 26) February 2000
Refers

Appointments and Precedence
9.169. Warrant Officers
Warrant Officer – class 1

(i)
Conductor, RLC
Royal Artillery Sergeant Major
Academy sergeant major, RMAS
Garrison sergeant major London District
(ii)
Master gunner, RA.
(iii)
Garrison sergeant major (except London District).
(iv)
Regimental corporal major
Regimental sergeant major.
Bandmaster
Staff sergeant major. RLC or AGC(SPS)
Sergeant major

Any other appointment on the establishment of a unit or corps carrying the rank of warrant officer, class 1, e.g. artificer sergeant major, superintending draughtsman.

9.170.
b. Warrant officers, class 1.

(2). A conductor or a staff sergeant major in the RLC is to act in the place of a subaltern officer when required. On all parades he is to take post as an officer, but is not to salute.

He is however a 'Member' of the Sergeants not Officers Mess.

THE QUEEN'S REGULATIONS FOR THE ARMY 1975
(Amendment No 26) February 2000
Refers

Sergeants' Messes
5.747. Membership

a. Every warrant officer and staff or other sergeant is to be a member of the sergeants' mess of his unit, ~
c. When on strength of a unit of their corps, Conductors RLC are to be members of the sergeants' mess. If attached to, or on the posted strength of, formation headquarters or other units they are, subject to the approval of the commanding officer, to become honorary members of the mess.

Note: Even when a member of a RLC Sergeants Mess a Conductor does not act as PMC. By tradition he defers to the Regimental Sergeant Major.

The 4 main Senior Warrant Officers:

Senior Conductor, RLC (Since their is more than one)
Royal Artillery Sergeant Major
Academy sergeant major, RMAS
Garrison sergeant major London District

Do advice the Army Council on Technical Matters. Each Warrant Officer having his own special area of knowledge or expertise. Which is I feel far better than the 'Warrant Officer of the Army' found elsewhere!

With the second tier of experience being the Corps RSM's which do not seem to rank as anything special QR's as yet.

The RLC has a Corps RSM who reports to the Director RLC on Regimental matters as well as a Senior Conductor by the way.
 
#19
Glad you posted that, i was going to mention the RASM. I know they hang around with the RA top brass and advise the senior officers on various matters.

Now, the Academy SM and GSM London, can they come from any regiment\corps or are they always guards\infantry?
 
#20
As for the AcSM and GSMLD, As far as I know, they are both senior Guards RSM posts. The GSMLD is involved in all the ceremonial work such as Trooping the Colour, and the AcSM is appointed and then changes his Cap Badge, but wears the Guards uniform on Sovereigns Parade.
 
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