RSigs Class 1 course

#1
Anyone done it recently

im on it in for the first couple weeks in November. Anyone on here got their name down?

anyone done it recently - got any tips and tricks?
 
#6
I did it a few years ago now and hope it has changed a lot since then as was a complete waste of 2 weeks, learnt very little.
Don't hold your breath... did it recently and it didn't exactly blow me away... they could make it a one week course. Enjoy doing 2-3 days of A&P from Class 3...
 
#8
The Critique at the end, well we raised every single point going, rather than keep quiet to piss off early but we were met with the most random 'bag of bollocks' ever spouted by an officer.
Everyone in the room had the 'WTF' look on their faces.
 
#9
Read up on LANs and WANs, Networking, A&P, Electronic Warfare, Admin (Det Folders, naming conventions) and back-briefing an officer - map marking, comms boardm state board etc.
 
#10
The Critique at the end, well we raised every single point going, rather than keep quiet to piss off early but we were met with the most random 'bag of bollocks' ever spouted by an officer.
Everyone in the room had the 'WTF' look on their faces.
We were all a bit WTF, but I think we were being a bit harsh mate. To be fair, he was trying to stress how its hard to gear Class 1 training to TA because our kit and role is different from Regs, and then tried to second guess how the SDSR might affect us and explain how he felt 'general' comms skills were arguably more useful to the wider army.

Still, its a damn shame they didn't put any BOWMAN training in there... i'm now a Class 1 CS Op with ZERO experience of BOWMAN, which is a tad embarrassing TBH.

P.S. I'm missing your morning brews mucka!
 
#12
Still, its a damn shame they didn't put any BOWMAN training in there... i'm now a Class 1 CS Op with ZERO experience of BOWMAN, which is a tad embarrassing TBH.

P.S. I'm missing your morning brews mucka!
That must be embarrassing as on my last annual camp all the soldiers had a compulsory course which consisted of 2 days Batco and 3 days Bowman. We are Infanteers, think of the skill fade. Just to get a tick in the box.
 
#13
That must be embarrassing as on my last annual camp all the soldiers had a compulsory course which consisted of 2 days Batco and 3 days Bowman. We are Infanteers, think of the skill fade. Just to get a tick in the box.
Bowman training is far to complex and requires an individual course. I am sure you are aware of this having done 3 days on camp, this means you have learnt sweet FA of Bowman.

Oh and I would rather have someone who has a good grip of A & P then train them on Bowman (Insert any other CNR here) over someone who knows all the Bowman functions having done PET but can't get Comms in more arduous conditions. This is when the Bowman is shoit excuse is trotted out.
 

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#14
Bowman training is far to complex and requires an individual course. I am sure you are aware of this having done 3 days on camp, this means you have learnt sweet FA of Bowman.

Oh and I would rather have someone who has a good grip of A & P then train them on Bowman (Insert any other CNR here) over someone who knows all the Bowman functions having done PET but can't get Comms in more arduous conditions. This is when the Bowman is shoit excuse is trotted out.
Frenchie,

As far as Infantry level of comms is concerned, if you already have a working knowledge of VHF and HF comms c/o of RRU course or Sigs Platoon cadre, then famming on a 354 and 355 (which is all the average Grunt will ever use) isn't a big deal. I picked it up in the half hour handover session in a PB in Helmand from the Marines who were RIPing out. A lot of the features on these radios really is overkill for Infantry platoon level. As for HF, the only bloke carrying one would be the Coy Signaler who is from Sigs Pln and IC of all the Coy's comms kit.

The 'Bowman is shoite' line comes out (and again this purely from grunt level) because of issues with the fill dropping. Just one example; I saw a Coy level operation have to detour to the nearest PB after the comms/other equipment on the chopper that dropped us off, wiped out the fill on all the radios - or at least that's what it was blamed on. Needless to say the surprise element was lost. This is a year ago, so no idea if these 'areas for improvement' have been ironed out since.
 
#15
RP,

I agree wholeheartedly, it's just 'The creature' constantly digging at Sigs is quite irksome to say the least. Although it sounds like the Class 1 course is a bit of a breeze it is aimed at a higher level than, as you put it, grunt level. Also on a broader range of kit including ICS amongst other things by the sound of it.

As to the Bowman side of things and without going into detail my conclusion was a few of these issues encountered are down to poor maintenance (This was not an operators fault) , poor understanding of Bowman and the insistence that because it is 'Digital' you do not need to apply any A & P. I work above Coy level as you know so was generally using non HF means. That said I did have one fill drop prior an OTAT but that was down to poor battery maintenance (Not our fault just issued incorrect equipment) and a HUB that should have been changed donkeys ago.

I do recall issues with our US chums ECM zapping our Comms when they came back in to our location.

Some of the Coy Sig Pln guys I have worked with in the past are without doubt fine Signallers, keen and knowledgeable. I just know for a fact they couldn't pick up the ball when it come to ICS as well, unlike Royal Signals who are expected to be a one stop shop for all Comms kit.

Not complaining, that's how it is and should be. So to that end 'The creature' stating 'that is embarrassing'. Well it just shows their lack of knowledge of how the big wheel turns.
 
#16
Don't hold your breath... did it recently and it didn't exactly blow me away... they could make it a one week course. Enjoy doing 2-3 days of A&P from Class 3...
Did you raise this in the course critique at the end ?

I found the A+P very useful, coming from a ptarmigan background where its really only given lip service
I think that's the problem.
The experience levels of the atttendees are so varied, it's hard to set the standard for each subject.
Examples, my unit use CNR, so A & P was second nature to me but I wanted to take it to another level and become an expert (as I thought a class 1 should be).
A high percentage of the course came from units using civvy comms kit in white fleet and had only basic A & P knowledge. Hence, the course was aimed at what I would call class 3 level, great for them, no use for the few guys from my unit.
The test consisted of putting up a dipole unaided then an open book test. The instructor gave the guys who knew what they were doing the afternoon off while he had to teach the rest 'basic antennas'.
Other quirks were having to stop during the exercise phase to teach vehicle cam and concealment, as the white fleet contingent had never touched cam nets or mushrooms before.
There were other subjects on the course where we struggled and other units excelled, internet protocols for example. This time they sat there bored while we listened intently, albeit knowing that we would never have to touch this kind of thing back at unit.
The problem being that unlike the regulars who are taught to a central standard, R SIGNALS TA are taught to a level based on the equipment they hold, and their experience is all based around this.
The solution would appear to be to hold class 1 courses tailored to each unit, but as there was only around 15 on my course, this would not be feasible.
We did raise this at the end of course washdown but the outcome was the same, how do you try and teach so many people of differing and varying backgrounds to the same standard?
 
#17
Should TA personnel not be expected to attain the same levels of knowledge as their regular counterparts?
By this that I mean common skills such as cam and concealment should be attained knowledge prior to class one.
Regular Operators have class 3-2 and 2-1 workbooks which formalise the learning required before attendance on courses.

One army and all that. I am not saying that TA should attend the long full time courses because the principle is that they are taking their civilian skills to the military task. I am saying that there is a requirement for formal testing that these common skills are present in the individual especially before bestowing class one status on them.
 
#18
We do have Class3 to 2 workbooks and Class 2 to 1 workbooks. Problem arises of course when someone has only ever been in a unit thats been given NCRS and nothing else. Having said that, on my Class 1 course there was no practical ex at all.
 
#19
Should TA personnel not be expected to attain the same levels of knowledge as their regular counterparts?
By this that I mean common skills such as cam and concealment should be attained knowledge prior to class one.
Regular Operators have class 3-2 and 2-1 workbooks which formalise the learning required before attendance on courses.

One army and all that. I am not saying that TA should attend the long full time courses because the principle is that they are taking their civilian skills to the military task. I am saying that there is a requirement for formal testing that these common skills are present in the individual especially before bestowing class one status on them.
We also have 3-2 workbooks, great in theory but as Polar points out, in practice these have to be tailored to the equipment used by the unit.
As most TA units use different kit, it all becomes disjointed.
It's all very well having the workbook, but if your unit is not scaled for Bowman, but does have Airwave for example, then that is all you can train the guys on.
My unit has specialised workbooks to reflect the 'inflatable' equipment we work with, as well as Royal Signals 'standard' workbooks.
Try explaining on ops to the Yeoman that you can't work the VHF radio he's kindly provided for you but if he's got an aerostat handy you can have it up and running in an hour?
 
#20
Try explaining on ops to the Yeoman that you can't work the VHF radio he's kindly provided for you but if he's got an aerostat handy you can have it up and running in an hour?
haha

well thanks for the odd bits of advice. Got a couple of weekends coming up so ill use them to get a bit of last minute practice in
 

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