Royal Signals Career Courses - Stay or Go!!

#1
Ok so there is a bit of a debate going on about the lengths of the various military element courses with in the corps. What do you think.
Should the courses be binned, shortened in length, extended or just left the way they are.

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#3
Lets face it if a tech or operator going FofS or YofS passes his dettys and Sgts course he is looking at a commision. If you remove the carrer courses wont it mean every class three leaving Blandford will be a Captain some day if they hang around long enough. Im not suggesting YofS or FofS courses are easy but we are a tad undermanned at the moment.
 
#4
Me, i think they should of kept it the old way. At least the soliders knew were they stood and what they had to do to pass the course.

It seems that every course is getting easier for the solider 2000, so that will one day make the british army as bad as the american army or maybe even worse!

Why don't they just leave the system alone, as we've been winning wars for centurys. so clearly its been working in the past, sack the civi's thats trying to dictate how an army is ran and read the history books.

It shows already what the solider 2000 is like and frankly 80% of them are a waste of space.
Its a big circle and it's ruining the army!!!!!!! :'(
 
#5
I would have to agree that making these courses shorter and easier is a false economy.  When I did my Sgt's course, only 22 of the 44 who started actually passed.  Only about 26 actually finished!  It was supposed to be hard.  If you were weak, you were weeded out.  This is the natural process of selection that happens in nature every day.  The weak are weeded out and the strong go on to lead.  This may seem like an archaic and neanderthal view but I believe it to be true.  When you passed the course, there was a great feeling of relief and achievment and people respected that.  Nowadays, it is virtually impossible to fail and every pathetic war dodging cripple and waste of space is getting promoted.  It's no wonder the Army is in such as state.

You can guarrantee that it is the bean counters who are responsible.  A shorter course means a cheaper course!!

 
#6
What they need to do is design the course so that able bodied and the downgraded can do.

I am sick to death of downgraded people not doing career courses and the able bodied blokes who do attend get marked down in their career.

Downgraded need to do something, how can they get promoted just for having a laminated sick chit.

Red Blooded IS Op ........ and I am bloody annoyed
 
#7
What about integrating your RSCC into the class one?
It will reduce the time a soldier is away from his unit, and will also teach him how to use Mil skills with his trade, Def of a comms site shit like that, I know people are set in there ways but this is called evolution, if we kept thing the way they where hundreds of years ago you would be watering your horse not POL your wagon!!
Just a thought ……….
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#8
Give it time chaps - wont be long before you have virtual promotion courses, put disc into playstation and follow instructions etc.

I have been out for quite a while now, but it is basically the same whinging going on now as then.

Get the ones that are good at their trade, who have respect for and from others of all ranks, can lead, and instruct others then promote them.

In my day it was all to do with sport and fitness, play for the corps or above would guarentee at least one if not two promotions, then all of a sudden we had a backlog of promotions as all the deadwood who were no good at trade or leadership held the others up when they reached their promotion ceiling and left no vacancies in certain Regiments due to their sporting prowness.

Comming back onto thread now (sorry)

Having Courses lengthend or shortened will make not that much difference, it is what is being taught that counts as far as I am concerned
 
#10
Good topic, but unfortunately the debate as to wether they are staying or going is a bit pointless really.  The Dettys and Sgts course are being replaced by the CLM (Career Leadership and Management (I think)) course.  This is happening as we speak guys n gals.  Example, do many people actually realise that this year every Cpl and Sgt (not sure about ranks above that) in the corp, as long as they have been in rank 1yr+ and have a recommend, will go on the board wether they are qualified or not.  (So, no Detty and no EFP makes no difference), then when the board has sat those that are selected will then be priority cases for the new CLM course.  This included people that are downgraded, if anyone permanently downgraded is selected their case will then be reviewed in light of a waiver.  I think that if a waiver is granted they will have to do the CLM course without the physical aspect.  Many other corps have been running career courses for downgraded personel for many years, it just appears to be the Royal Womens Auxillary Bumper Corp (R.Sigs) that are so far behind the rest of humanity.

So, Everyone for themselves this year people, I can see some really interesting board results .... keep your eyes peeled  ::)
 
#11
This puts certain elements in a very bad position. If the Sgts course is being replaced with a tree hugging/quilt knitting course and you new you were on a course before this change isent there a tendancy to say "bollocks to that". Wont people just go sick until the until the People's Relationship's and Interfacing Instructors arrive from the States to run the course. :mad:
 
#13
so you can now get your third tape by passing the RSJCC and waiting to go on your EFP1
even though you are an admin case
and don't deserve it
what a load of arse  :mad:
 
#14
There is quite a few people, who have done their threshold test. Who keep putting in efp course app after course app to their squadron.

Because of the back log in the system they can't get on a course as they are not deamed to be a priority.

This not mean they have bad admin, it means the system as bad admin..... and until they sort it out I am in favour of promotion before EFP (as long as they have passed the threshold test and are awaiting the course)

Red_Blooded  8)
 
#15
I ll probably get the PC bullet for this one, but one of my biggest gripes whilst in the mob was the amount of uselless lasses that got promoted just to applease the statistics...

When I was at div, there were a few of us that stuck our hands up did lanyard trophy, cambrian patrol, where always up front on PT worked hard out in the field and yet some pie munching lass that was on a biff chit who's most physical achivement was getting out of bed came off the board and to make matters worse had no intention of ever passing or attending detties (in one case one lass lasted a week!)

I m not just having a dig at the girls or the sick, lame and lazy but the standards in the corps seem to be like a limbo pole, lowering every five minutes...It would seem that this is a fruitless argument as the future has been decided in course terms but there needs to be line drawn when it comes to maintaing standards on courses and in units..

Ok I know i ve opened a can of worms here, and yes there were a few girls who did genuinly deserve getting promoted before you saturate me with PC arrows!
 
#16
Red On...

I don't think for a moment that we have any statistics to appease with reference to women being promoted.  However your point is made.  

My issue is how are these people being promoted if all they seem to do is their job?

Your point about Lanyard Trophy, Cambrian Patrol and this could be extended to those that play Regimental Sport, those that organise things (Troop exercises, sport, adventurous training, troop training etc), in fact those that bring something to the party that is what the Army is surely about.  

The individual that does things to improve the team, the individual that enhances esprit de corps the individual that doesn't sit on his arrse all day drinking coffee but actually gets up and does something for the benefit of the whole, these are the individuals that the Corps should be identifying and promoting, because ultimately these are the people that one day we would want to be commanding other soldiers and having to do the organising and such like as part of their normal day to day work.

My attitude when writing CRs is simple:

"What have you done that lifts your head above the parapet and says I want to be counted?"  "What have you done that puts you in line to be the first person who would be on my list if we were to deploy somewhere where I would be relying on you?"  If the answer is "I can smile sweetly and know that you are a man and will give me a good CR" then I am afraid the door is just over there.  If your answer is "Well I do my job well." Great ... but what makes you think you can do the job of the next rank up well and how have you demonstrated this to me?

I am afraid that whilst those of you who had to do RSSC and RSDCC may have winged like buggery about doing it, the simple fact is that it was a hurdle to be achieved if you wanted to be promoted.  It seperated the wheat from the chaff, in the same way that JCSC and IPSE exams did for officers ... unfortunately with the demise of all of these courses (and I include JCSC & the IPSE exams in this point), there is no external validation of the soldiers (or officers) potential.  The cronyism that is already rife within the Corps (and actually most of the Army) will only get worse.  The fact is that the best will not always be promoted, however they will soon become disaffected and leave...

Rant over
 
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#17
long time ago..... in a galaxy far away... sorry!! wrong galaxy.

I know it is not the same as when i was in  ( 70's and 80's). we had the Detties and Staffies course. Go on either course and i have said this before, the amount of people who failed for "attitude" was quite high among the failures. the Corps then was also filled out with "combat athletes" it was amazing how many corps and army sportsmen were promoted as high as they could get without having to pass the next course. i.e. sig ***** after 2 years service is a cpl not passed detties!! not a tech either. cpl ***  not passed rsssgt's yet manages to get to ssgt within 3 years of getting his cpl. both played different sports at representative standard, in fact the cpl was only a B2 tradesman!! in the 3 years I knew him I do not remember him ever being in uniform or going on exercise! then Lo and behold i end up at training wing  at catterick to finish off my time, get to the course appraisals of students and attitude failures on 1 staffies course is 3.  I personally did not have issues with any of these Sgts, but one senior instructor had served with 2 of them and one had been a bastard of a det commander!! (personality clash of high order) but I did have with a prima dona, who for the whole course struggled with every aspect except fitness. and he gets his pass with creative application of points awarded. not to mention that he had represented Army and combined Services, and i believe was a national sportsman as well. so we could not have him fail could we!! Bad for Corps image was very strongly hinted at, before course began!! work it out .

It used to be not how good at being a soldier or tradesman you are, its how good you make the corps look..

rant over :-/
 
#19
Unfortunately it is also a simple case of if you can talk the talk and walk the walk then you're in with a decent chance. Mind you aren't we all in with a decent chance? I'm sure that if we all put our mind to it, we would all achieve our own personal high standards and if the Army fail to see your personal standards then it would be time to rethink your career.
 
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