Royal Military Police - why ?

Cutaway

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As the "HIGHER PAY BAND FOR RAF TG17 (HR)" thread progressed there were a few questions hat cropped up reference the RMP.
Due to juvenile bickering and a internet hardman it was unfortunately locked before any answers were forthcoming so I thought we could continue the questions here.

As background most of the relevant posts are shown below. Hopefully I've not omitted any important ones:

Sat 29 Nov 08 at 14:12:
ex-dvr said:
with all the other amalgmations why dont they just join all the Mil police into MOD police, that way they wouldnt have to
actually convince anyone they are soldiers/airmen etc.

they might be trained properly on police matters, and not just be route controllers or SIB might even investigate something
other than what happened at a sqn bar last weekend or who put the wrong mileage on their 1771's


Sat 29 Nov 08 at 14:37:
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr said:
with all the other amalgmations why dont they just join all the Mil police into MOD police, that way they wouldnt have to
actually convince anyone they are soldiers/airmen etc.

they might be trained properly on police matters, and not just be route controllers or SIB might even investigate something
other than what happened at a sqn bar last weekend or who put the wrong mileage on their 1771's
Life must be fantastic for someone as f**kin stupid as you


Sat 29 Nov 08 at 15:01:
The_Messiah said:
ex-dvr said:
with all the other amalgmations why dont they just join all the Mil police into MOD police, that way they wouldnt have to
actually convince anyone they are soldiers/airmen etc.

they might be trained properly on police matters, and not just be route controllers or SIB might even investigate something
other than what happened at a sqn bar last weekend or who put the wrong mileage on their 1771's
haha nice one


Sat 29 Nov 08 at 18:24:
Daytona955 said:
The_Messiah said:
ex-dvr said:
with all the other amalgmations why dont they just join all the Mil police into MOD police, that way they wouldnt have to
actually convince anyone they are soldiers/airmen etc.

they might be trained properly on police matters, and not just be route controllers or SIB might even investigate something
other than what happened at a sqn bar last weekend or who put the wrong mileage on their 1771's
haha nice one
Messiah, you truely are a total half wit aren't you. Why don't you get back to filing or whatever else you high powered and
highly trained SPS do in your spare time.


Sat 29 Nov 08 at 19:12:
TeesideWhites said:
VicMackey said:
Let me guess....just got to your first unit, your a company clerk and your biggest responsibility is making tea for the OC.

And as I previously mentioned, you def have the bitter attitude of someone who didn't quite make the grade for RMP!
Not good enough for AGC(RMP), I think you've forgot that were in the same Corps. Probably didn't want to be a monkey as he
wanted mates and didn't have an attitude like yours. No wonder no one likes a monkey!!


Sat 29 Nov 08 at 19:14:
TeesideWhites said:
Daytona955 said:
The_Messiah said:
ex-dvr said:
with all the other amalgmations why dont they just join all the Mil police into MOD police, that way they wouldnt have to
actually convince anyone they are soldiers/airmen etc.

they might be trained properly on police matters, and not just be route controllers or SIB might even investigate something
other than what happened at a sqn bar last weekend or who put the wrong mileage on their 1771's
haha nice one
Messiah, you truely are a total half wit aren't you. Why don't you get back to filing or whatever else you high powered and
highly trained SPS do in your spare time.
These highly trained SPS will be on higher range come Apr 09. I guess we're more imporant than the monkeys.


Sat 29 Nov 08 at 19:15:
TeesideWhites said:
VicMackey said:
Let me guess....just got to your first unit, your a company clerk and your biggest responsibility is making tea for the OC.

And as I previously mentioned, you def have the bitter attitude of someone who didn't quite make the grade for RMP!
Not good enough for AGC(RMP), I think you've forgot that were in the same Corps. Probably didn't want to be a monkey as he
wanted mates and didn't have an attitude like yours. No wonder no one likes a monkey!!


Sat 29 Nov 08 at 19:17:
Daytona955 said:
TeesideWhites said:
Daytona955 said:
The_Messiah said:
ex-dvr said:
with all the other amalgmations why dont they just join all the Mil police into MOD police, that way they wouldnt have to
actually convince anyone they are soldiers/airmen etc.

they might be trained properly on police matters, and not just be route controllers or SIB might even investigate something
other than what happened at a sqn bar last weekend or who put the wrong mileage on their 1771's
haha nice one
Messiah, you truely are a total half wit aren't you. Why don't you get back to filing or whatever else you high powered and
highly trained SPS do in your spare time.
These highly trained SPS will be on higher range come Apr 09. I guess we're more imporant than the monkeys.
Tee Hee, I take it you only qualified recently. Don't know much do you little boy......


Sat 29 Nov 08 at 20:01:
Cutaway said:
Datona 955, you've quoted Ex-dvr1 three times now but on each occasion have nimbly avoided addressing the question.
Would you like to do so now, or do you need still more time mulling it over with your RMP colleagues ?

(If you consider it a bit difficult you could always ask him to explain or rephrase it using just the easy words.)


Sat 29 Nov 08 at 20:10:
Daytona955 said:
Cutaway said:
Datona 955, you've quoted Ex-dvr1 three times now but on each occasion have nimbly avoided addressing the question.
Would you like to do so now, or do you need still more time mulling it over with your RMP colleagues ?

(If you consider it a bit difficult you could always ask him to explain or rephrase it using just the easy words.)
Cutaway, are you as stupid as the Ex-Trogg?

The answer to the 'question' (as you described it) as so plainely obvious as to not need answering.

But please, as you are on the same level as him/her please try to answer it. Explain why RMP should amalgamate with a UK
National police force, with no jurisdiction overseas (except for that legislated for in a minority of offences) when the
majority of their work is conducted overseas. Furthermore, please explain why RMP should amalgamate with a UK Police
Force that cannot operate in operational theatres.

Now I know you will be tempted to slate the RMP in operational theatres and maybe their prowess whilst policing garrisons
overseas but don't fall into that trap as it will just make you look silly.

Now that you have considered it do you see why I didn't bother to answer the half wits question?


Sat 29 Nov 08 at 20:14:
Cutaway said:
Daytona955 said:
Cutaway said:
Datona 955, you've quoted Ex-dvr1 three times now but on each occasion have nimbly avoided addressing the question.
Would you like to do so now, or do you need still more time mulling it over with your RMP colleagues ?

(If you consider it a bit difficult you could always ask him to explain or rephrase it using just the easy words.)
Cutaway, are you as stupid as the Ex-Trogg?

The answer to the 'question' (as you described it) as so plainely obvious as to not need answering.

But please, as you are on the same level as him/her please try to answer it. Explain why RMP should amalgamate with a UK
National police force, with no jurisdiction overseas (except for that legislated for in a minority of offences) when the
majority of their work is conducted overseas. Furthermore, please explain why RMP should amalgamate with a UK Police
Force that cannot operate in operational theatres.

Now I know you will be tempted to slate the RMP in operational theatres and maybe their prowess whilst policing garrisons
overseas but don't fall into that trap as it will just make you look silly.

Now that you have considered it do you see why I didn't bother to answer the half wits question?

I understand, you just found it too difficult.

Don't take it to heart, not everyone's suitable.


Sat 29 Nov 08 at 20:22:
Daytona955 said:
Cutaway said:
Daytona955 said:
Cutaway said:
Datona 955, you've quoted Ex-dvr1 three times now but on each occasion have nimbly avoided addressing the question.
Would you like to do so now, or do you need still more time mulling it over with your RMP colleagues ?

(If you consider it a bit difficult you could always ask him to explain or rephrase it using just the easy words.)
Cutaway, are you as stupid as the Ex-Trogg?

The answer to the 'question' (as you described it) as so plainely obvious as to not need answering.

But please, as you are on the same level as him/her please try to answer it. Explain why RMP should amalgamate with a UK
National police force, with no jurisdiction overseas (except for that legislated for in a minority of offences) when the
majority of their work is conducted overseas. Furthermore, please explain why RMP should amalgamate with a UK Police
Force that cannot operate in operational theatres.

Now I know you will be tempted to slate the RMP in operational theatres and maybe their prowess whilst policing garrisons
overseas but don't fall into that trap as it will just make you look silly.

Now that you have considered it do you see why I didn't bother to answer the half wits question?

I understand, you just found it too difficult.

Don't take it to heart, not everyone's suitable.
Golly, you really are that stupid aren't you. I take it you are one of the glorious SPS.


Sat 29 Nov 08 at 21:56:
ex-dvr said:
Daytona955 i gather you are SIB? as you have wrongly assumed I am an ex trogg.( feeling stupid yet?)

Is assumption part of training in the RMP?

I can make assumptios btw as i am not a trained investigator


Sat 29 Nov 08 at 23:19:
Cutaway said:
Daytona955 said:
Golly, you really are that stupid aren't you. I take it you are one of the glorious SPS.
Now that was't very nice now was it ?

Further to Ex-dvr1's post above, you've done it again haven't you ?
You've made an assumption. Is that how policing works these days ?
For the record I'm not AGC.
Now can you say that ?

So tell me, why couldn't the majority of RMP tasks be performed as well by other agencies ?

Lets look at some of them:

Is there anything that the RMP do in the UK that couldn't be done by MDP ?

UK Garrison policing by the MDP ?

The few specialist areas that the RMP have are already done by the old bill and MDP.

What can the RMP do in the UK that any civpol force or Mod Plod can't cover ?


As to overseas, Germany and especially Telic are the major things keeping up the RMP numbers right now.
SOFA presently prevents MDP from routine policing on German soil, but instead of merely calling people names, can you provide any evidence that the EU wouldn't permit it to happen given that the circumstances are unique ?

Do you believe Germany's busier than UK for police work in RMP terms ?

Anyway if we're being honest we know the army's days left in Das Reich are numbered.

Nor will Telic and Herrick last forever either, so what's the point of the RMP when it all disappears ?
While I'm on the subject, what can the RMP do on tour that MDP couldn't accomplish ?

CP duties ?
There are plenty of real soldiers who can do that.


If the MDP did take over UK garrison policing there's nothing to stop the German Police pulling the same number, in fact they already do in some cases.
Why can't a Tom walk into a German Cop shop to report that his car has been dented or his iPod nicked ?
The only issue there is language, but other foreigners in Germany seem to cope.


Or is the real reason that you don't want the RMP absorbed into the MDP that probably less than a third would be taken ?
I'm sure some SIB blokes would be accepted for further trg, but offrs wouldn't stand a chance.



Sun 30 Nov 08 at 00:43:
Daytona955 said:
Cutaway said:
Daytona955 said:
Golly, you really are that stupid aren't you. I take it you are one of the glorious SPS.
Now that was't very nice now was it ?

Further to Ex-dvr1's post above, you've done it again haven't you ?
You've made an assumption. Is that how policing works these days ?
For the record I'm not AGC.
Now can you say that ?

So tell me, why couldn't the majority of RMP tasks be performed as well by other agencies ?

Lets look at some of them:

Is there anything that the RMP do in the UK that couldn't be done by MDP ?

UK Garrison policing by the MDP ?

The few specialist areas that the RMP have are already done by the old bill and MDP.

What can the RMP do in the UK that any civpol force or Mod Plod can't cover ?


As to overseas, Germany and especially Telic are the major things keeping up the RMP numbers right now.
SOFA presently prevents MDP from routine policing on German soil, but instead of merely calling people names, can you provide any evidence that the EU wouldn't permit it to happen given that the circumstances are unique ?

Do you believe Germany's busier than UK for police work in RMP terms ?

Anyway if we're being honest we know the army's days left in Das Reich are numbered.

Nor will Telic and Herrick last forever either, so what's the point of the RMP when it all disappears ?
While I'm on the subject, what can the RMP do on tour that MDP couldn't accomplish ?

CP duties ?
There are plenty of real soldiers who can do that.


If the MDP did take over UK garrison policing there's nothing to stop the German Police pulling the same number, in fact they already do in some cases.
Why can't a Tom walk into a German Cop shop to report that his car has been dented or his iPod nicked ?
The only issue there is language, but other foreigners in Germany seem to cope.


Or is the real reason that you don't want the RMP absorbed into the MDP that probably less than a third would be taken ?
I'm sure some SIB blokes would be accepted for further trg, but offrs wouldn't stand a chance.
You really are stupid aren't you



Sun 30 Nov 08 at 01:04:
Cutaway said:
Daytona955 said:
Cutaway said:
Daytona955 said:
Golly, you really are that stupid aren't you. I take it you are one of the glorious SPS.
Now that was't very nice now was it ?

Further to Ex-dvr1's post above, you've done it again haven't you ?
You've made an assumption. Is that how policing works these days ?
For the record I'm not AGC.
Now can you say that ?

So tell me, why couldn't the majority of RMP tasks be performed as well by other agencies ?

Lets look at some of them:

Is there anything that the RMP do in the UK that couldn't be done by MDP ?

UK Garrison policing by the MDP ?

The few specialist areas that the RMP have are already done by the old bill and MDP.

What can the RMP do in the UK that any civpol force or Mod Plod can't cover ?


As to overseas, Germany and especially Telic are the major things keeping up the RMP numbers right now.
SOFA presently prevents MDP from routine policing on German soil, but instead of merely calling people names, can you provide any evidence that the EU wouldn't permit it to happen given that the circumstances are unique ?

Do you believe Germany's busier than UK for police work in RMP terms ?

Anyway if we're being honest we know the army's days left in Das Reich are numbered.

Nor will Telic and Herrick last forever either, so what's the point of the RMP when it all disappears ?
While I'm on the subject, what can the RMP do on tour that MDP couldn't accomplish ?

CP duties ?
There are plenty of real soldiers who can do that.


If the MDP did take over UK garrison policing there's nothing to stop the German Police pulling the same number, in fact they already do in some cases.
Why can't a Tom walk into a German Cop shop to report that his car has been dented or his iPod nicked ?
The only issue there is language, but other foreigners in Germany seem to cope.


Or is the real reason that you don't want the RMP absorbed into the MDP that probably less than a third would be taken ?
I'm sure some SIB blokes would be accepted for further trg, but offrs wouldn't stand a chance.
You really are stupid aren't you
If you're unable to answer the questions just say so, there's no need for incivility.


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 01:34:
VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
Daytona955 said:
Golly, you really are that stupid aren't you. I take it you are one of the glorious SPS.
Now that was't very nice now was it ?

Further to Ex-dvr1's post above, you've done it again haven't you ?
You've made an assumption. Is that how policing works these days ?
For the record I'm not AGC.
Now can you say that ?

So tell me, why couldn't the majority of RMP tasks be performed as well by other agencies ?

Lets look at some of them:

Is there anything that the RMP do in the UK that couldn't be done by MDP ?

UK Garrison policing by the MDP ?
What use would a UK based force, bound by UK laws and territorial regulations, be to an organisation such as the the
armed forces? Please take yourself out of that little bubble that you seem to think resembles real life and think about
the bigger picture!


UK Garrison policing by the MDP ? You have answered your own question. MDP are only authorised to operate on
Ministry of Defence Land in the UK!

The few specialist areas that the RMP have are already done by the old bill and MDP. If you know what you are talking
about then name the specialist areas? Thats like saying the 'specialist' areas in the Army are also done by other
government departments, which most are!


What can the RMP do in the UK that any civpol force or Mod Plod can't cover ? You seem to have nailed the crucial point
about RMP, clever you! The fact is though, we dont exist to work in the UK, yes Civpol or MOD Plod could do our job within
the UK, but not outside, and that is LAW, hence why RMP, not governed by borders or time constraints, are followed by so
many other nations!



As to overseas, Germany and especially Telic are the major things keeping up the RMP numbers right now.
SOFA presently prevents MDP from routine policing on German soil, but instead of merely calling people names, can you
provide any evidence that the EU wouldn't permit it to happen given that the circumstances are unique ? Quite clearly you
havent stepped outside whichever admin office you call work! Really, get Germany out of your head, the point is that
RMP can legally conduct business outside the UK, anywhere in the world! I;, sure that MDP would love to provide
blokes for TELIC or HERRICK, 6 months at a FOB dealing with the murders of British servicemen, scraping up body parts
and treating captured prisoners within the law, would be well within their job description.


Do you believe Germany's busier than UK for police work in RMP terms ? Errr YES

Anyway if we're being honest we know the army's days left in Das Reich are numbered. Really!!!!! Maybe you arent the
AGC Pte I assumed you were!


Nor will Telic and Herrick last forever either, so what's the point of the RMP when it all disappears ? Whats the point of
helicopters, infantry, tanks or signals if it disappears? Some of us were here before TELIC or HERRICK and we seemed
to justify ourselves then!


While I'm on the subject, what can the RMP do on tour that MDP couldn't accomplish ? In order to remain politically
correct and maintain a reasoned argument I think you should go find your nearest MDP office and ask him/her!


CP duties ?
There are plenty of real soldiers who can do that. Why dont they then? Oh yeah, because those who deserve/require
close protection seem to like the fact that only RMP can look aftrer them. Maybe one day they would like to put their
life in the hands of a secretaryin combats! Then again...................



If the MDP did take over UK garrison policing there's nothing to stop the German Police pulling the same number, in fact
they already do in some cases. You are an idiot. The whole point of the SOFA is that British troops would only ever be
tried by UK Law, wherever they serve in the world!

Why can't a Tom walk into a German Cop shop to report that his car has been dented or his iPod nicked ? He can but how
much do you think will be done?

The only issue there is language, but other foreigners in Germany seem to cope.

Or is the real reason that you don't want the RMP absorbed into the MDP that probably less than a third would be taken ? I
think you might find that the force found to be obsolete in the last few months is in fact the MDP, who are struggling
to justify their existance in light of the introduction of the MGS!


I'm sure some SIB blokes would be accepted for further trg, but offrs wouldn't stand a chance.
Think about the big picture! Your little office in the TA centre at Shropshire is really not worth the money it costs for electricity and some people have jobs to do!

Top Tip: STOP!

If you cant, let me know and I will point you in the right direction!!!


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 01:44:
stacker1 said:
VicMackey said:
If the MDP did take over UK garrison policing there's nothing to stop the German Police pulling the same number, in fact
they already do in some cases. You are an idiot. The whole point of the SOFA is that British troops would only ever be
tried by UK Law, wherever they serve in the world!
Without wanting to get in the way on this highly entertaining arguement, I thought British troops could be tried under the
local law (with very few exceptions)


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 08:55
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr1 said:
Daytona955 i gather you are SIB? as you have wrongly assumed I am an ex trogg.( feeling stupid yet?)

Is assumption part of training in the RMP?

I can make assumptios btw as i am not a trained investigator
Yes, I feel very, very, very stupid. How could one make such a mistake, my God, how stupid am I.

Whilst we are on the subject of stupidness, my I please point out that your arguments single you out as one of the stupidest
people I have encountered on Arrse. That in itself is quite a distinction.


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 08:55
ex-dvr1 said:
right now its been explained that the RMP are there to stop us from being "done" by the local civpol and only UK law will do for
us squaddies.so why do we need RMP for that? the regimental police could actually do that job

As for the CP duties could the reason be the courses are run by the RMP is I guess you have to do something when your not
directing convoys, or stitching someone up.and i had nopticed over the years that you lot are really god at opening doors.

and you dont really have to answer this post as i can forcast what the answer will be anyway......... "you really are stupid etc"
seems to be the normal answer when you cannot give a reasonable one.



Sun 30 Nov 08 at 08:56
Daytona955 said:
stacker1 said:
VicMackey said:
If the MDP did take over UK garrison policing there's nothing to stop the German Police pulling the same number, in fact
they already do in some cases. You are an idiot. The whole point of the SOFA is that British troops would only ever be
tried by UK Law, wherever they serve in the world!
Without wanting to get in the way on this highly entertaining arguement, I thought British troops could be tried under the
local law (with very few exceptions)
Of course they could. I for one will make sure that next time you are accused of shooting an Iraqi that we hand you over to
the Iraqi police and just wave goodbye to you.

Good luck


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 08:58
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr1 said:
right now its been explained that the RMP are there to stop us from being "done" by the local civpol and only UK law will do for
us squaddies.so why do we need RMP for that? the regimental police could actually do that job

As for the CP duties could the reason be the courses are run by the RMP is I guess you have to do something when your not
directing convoys, or stitching someone up.and i had nopticed over the years that you lot are really god at opening doors.

and you dont really have to answer this post as i can forcast what the answer will be anyway......... "you really are stupid etc"
seems to be the normal answer when you cannot give a reasonable one.
Now you are just making yourself look even more stupid. Take some advice, stop now before you are considered a total
imbecile


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 08:58
ex-dvr1 said:
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr1 said:
Daytona955 i gather you are SIB? as you have wrongly assumed I am an ex trogg.( feeling stupid yet?)

Is assumption part of training in the RMP?

I can make assumptios btw as i am not a trained investigator
Yes, I feel very, very, very stupid. How could one make such a mistake, my God, how stupid am I.

Whilst we are on the subject of stupidness, my I please point out that your arguments single you out as one of the stupidest
people I have encountered on Arrse. That in itself is quite a distinction.
thank you for the distinction, and that you admitted how very stupid you are as well. as you deem to reply to each of my
posts i would rather ask those that have contributed to this thread who they think is the more stupid you or me?



Sun 30 Nov 08 at 08:59
Daytona955 said:
Cutaway said:
Daytona955 said:
Cutaway said:
Daytona955 said:
Golly, you really are that stupid aren't you. I take it you are one of the glorious SPS.
Now that was't very nice now was it ?

Further to Ex-dvr1's post above, you've done it again haven't you ?
You've made an assumption. Is that how policing works these days ?
For the record I'm not AGC.
Now can you say that ?

So tell me, why couldn't the majority of RMP tasks be performed as well by other agencies ?

Lets look at some of them:

Is there anything that the RMP do in the UK that couldn't be done by MDP ?

UK Garrison policing by the MDP ?

The few specialist areas that the RMP have are already done by the old bill and MDP.

What can the RMP do in the UK that any civpol force or Mod Plod can't cover ?


As to overseas, Germany and especially Telic are the major things keeping up the RMP numbers right now.
SOFA presently prevents MDP from routine policing on German soil, but instead of merely calling people names, can you provide any evidence that the EU wouldn't permit it to happen given that the circumstances are unique ?

Do you believe Germany's busier than UK for police work in RMP terms ?

Anyway if we're being honest we know the army's days left in Das Reich are numbered.

Nor will Telic and Herrick last forever either, so what's the point of the RMP when it all disappears ?
While I'm on the subject, what can the RMP do on tour that MDP couldn't accomplish ?

CP duties ?
There are plenty of real soldiers who can do that.


If the MDP did take over UK garrison policing there's nothing to stop the German Police pulling the same number, in fact they already do in some cases.
Why can't a Tom walk into a German Cop shop to report that his car has been dented or his iPod nicked ?
The only issue there is language, but other foreigners in Germany seem to cope.


Or is the real reason that you don't want the RMP absorbed into the MDP that probably less than a third would be taken ?
I'm sure some SIB blokes would be accepted for further trg, but offrs wouldn't stand a chance.
You really are stupid aren't you
If you're unable to answer the questions just say so, there's no need for incivility.
From your answer I can deduct two thing:

One: You have far too much time on your hands

Two: You really are as stupid as I initially thought


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 09:01
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr1 said:
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr1 said:
Daytona955 i gather you are SIB? as you have wrongly assumed I am an ex trogg.( feeling stupid yet?)

Is assumption part of training in the RMP?

I can make assumptios btw as i am not a trained investigator
Yes, I feel very, very, very stupid. How could one make such a mistake, my God, how stupid am I.

Whilst we are on the subject of stupidness, my I please point out that your arguments single you out as one of the stupidest
people I have encountered on Arrse. That in itself is quite a distinction.
thank you for the distinction, and that you admitted how very stupid you are as well. as you deem to reply to each of my
posts i would rather ask those that have contributed to this thread who they think is the more stupid you or me?

Awww. the poor boy is not clever enough to recognise sarcasm when he sees it.



Sun 30 Nov 08 at 09:05
ex-dvr1 said:
just out of curiosity why are most of the officers that are deployed as OC SIB female and from the GDP well up until telic 4
cant really say after that is a fact.

also what do the sIB actualkly investigate within the UK then? as any serious crime is handed over to the MDP or civpol CID
isn't it?

and really in this day and age what can an SIB person do that a GDP one rank lower cannot?



Sun 30 Nov 08 at 09:01
ex-dvr1 said:
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr1 said:
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr1 said:
Daytona955 i gather you are SIB? as you have wrongly assumed I am an ex trogg.( feeling stupid yet?)

Is assumption part of training in the RMP?

I can make assumptios btw as i am not a trained investigator
Yes, I feel very, very, very stupid. How could one make such a mistake, my God, how stupid am I.

Whilst we are on the subject of stupidness, my I please point out that your arguments single you out as one of the stupidest
people I have encountered on Arrse. That in itself is quite a distinction.
thank you for the distinction, and that you admitted how very stupid you are as well. as you deem to reply to each of my
posts i would rather ask those that have contributed to this thread who they think is the more stupid you or me?

Awww. the poor boy is not clever enough to recognise sarcasm when he sees it.
that appears to work both ways


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 09:08
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr1 said:
just out of curiosity why are most of the officers that are deployed as OC SIB female and from the GDP well up until telic 4
cant really say after that is a fact.

also what do the sIB actualkly investigate within the UK then? as any serious crime is handed over to the MDP or civpol CID
isn't it?

and really in this day and age what can an SIB person do that a GDP one rank lower cannot?
Lol, total half wit springs to mind


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 09:12
ex-dvr1 said:
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr1 said:
just out of curiosity why are most of the officers that are deployed as OC SIB female and from the GDP well up until telic 4
cant really say after that is a fact.

also what do the sIB actualkly investigate within the UK then? as any serious crime is handed over to the MDP or civpol CID
isn't it?

and really in this day and age what can an SIB person do that a GDP one rank lower cannot?
Lol, total half wit springs to mind
once again no answer from you just a mundane comment that shows you have no knowledge of whats being asked maybe?


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 09:14
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr1 said:
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr1 said:
just out of curiosity why are most of the officers that are deployed as OC SIB female and from the GDP well up until telic 4
cant really say after that is a fact.

also what do the sIB actualkly investigate within the UK then? as any serious crime is handed over to the MDP or civpol CID
isn't it?

and really in this day and age what can an SIB person do that a GDP one rank lower cannot?
Lol, total half wit springs to mind
once again no answer from you just a mundane comment that shows you have no knowledge of whats being asked maybe?
Hey half wit. Ask a reasonable question that warrants an answer and I will answer it. Keep making stupid inane comments
and of course I will laugh at you


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 09:19
ex-dvr1 said:
right ok then now you have become insulting in every post you make maybe i should sue you for hurt feelings?


and as for laughing at me, maybe there could be some sniggering being done at you for actually replying to posts that are
blatanly to get you to bite?and you have done at every occassion

do you know how stupid you have made yourself look actually?


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 09:22
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr1 said:
right ok then now you have become insulting in every post you make maybe i should sue you for hurt feelings?


and as for laughing at me, maybe there could be some sniggering being done at you for actually replying to posts that are
blatanly to get you to bite?and you have done at every occassion

do you know how stupid you have made yourself look actually?
My stupid little friend.

Please do sue me, I could do with some entertainment. Also, please show me exactly where I have bitten at your inane
comments.

Thirdly, try typing in Word first to show up your terrible spelling and grammar and then cut and paiste it into Arrse, you will
not look quite so stupid and uneducated then.


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 09:28
ex-dvr1 said:
you still do not recognise sarcasm yourself yet do you?

yep my typing skills are poor, i admit that, i also expected someone like you to pick up on that point.

every post that you resort to making an insult is a bite, you again have done a lot of assumptions about me and my
intelligence over some typed words on the internet.

If you really are serving in any capacity within the RMP that would makes me worried a lot. I am glad you will never
investigate me in real life as i am now pretty certain you would assume the wrong thing


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 12:04
The_Messiah said:
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr1 said:
you still do not recognise sarcasm yourself yet do you?

yep my typing skills are poor, i admit that, i also expected someone like you to pick up on that point.

every post that you resort to making an insult is a bite, you again have done a lot of assumptions about me and my
intelligence over some typed words on the internet.

If you really are serving in any capacity within the RMP that would makes me worried a lot. I am glad you will never
investigate me in real life as i am now pretty certain you would assume the wrong thing
Ex-dvr1 - you are a bore so I have given up on you. Lets get this back to the original subject.

Should uneducated filing clerks in the Army be paid the higher rate of pay?

I for one say no. They are not specialists in any field, they perform a job that a civilian would be paid IRO £14-16000 a year
for. Personally, I think they would be better off keeping their mouths shut incase pay is taken off them and given to more
deserving cases.
LoL after reading the last 20 posts or so i wish i had a tenner for every time that idiot Daytona said the word "stupid" instead
i'll have to make do getting paid higher band lol, whilst i'm so un-educated all i can do is file paper away according to
Daytona. I wonder if i'm a good boy and pass all my clerk courses they'll let me loose on the photocopier.....of course still
being paid higher band. After all thats all we can do right Daytona you utter piece of monkey's ji'zz!!

I've got a great idea, why don't the Army post 20 Monkeys to every single unit in the British Army like they do with SPS and let
them do the infantry CFT, normal day to day PT every other thing the uneducated SPS do with whatever unit they are
attached to, you wouldn't last 5 minutes, you'd all get sacked for been useless fat monkey pri'cks.




Sun 30 Nov 08 at 09:37
Daytona955 said:
ex-dvr1 said:
you still do not recognise sarcasm yourself yet do you?

yep my typing skills are poor, i admit that, i also expected someone like you to pick up on that point.

every post that you resort to making an insult is a bite, you again have done a lot of assumptions about me and my
intelligence over some typed words on the internet.

If you really are serving in any capacity within the RMP that would makes me worried a lot. I am glad you will never
investigate me in real life as i am now pretty certain you would assume the wrong thing
Ex-dvr1 - you are a bore so I have given up on you. Lets get this back to the original subject.

Should uneducated filing clerks in the Army be paid the higher rate of pay?

I for one say no. They are not specialists in any field, they perform a job that a civilian would be paid IRO £14-16000 a year
for. Personally, I think they would be better off keeping their mouths shut incase pay is taken off them and given to more
deserving cases.


Sun 30 Nov 08 at 16:11
stacker1 said:
Daytona955 said:
stacker1 said:
VicMackey said:
If the MDP did take over UK garrison policing there's nothing to stop the German Police pulling the same number, in fact
they already do in some cases. You are an idiot. The whole point of the SOFA is that British troops would only ever be
tried by UK Law, wherever they serve in the world!
Without wanting to get in the way on this highly entertaining arguement, I thought British troops could be tried under the
local law (with very few exceptions)
Of course they could. I for one will make sure that next time you are accused of shooting an Iraqi that we hand you over to
the Iraqi police and just wave goodbye to you.

Good luck
And that would be one of the few exception IE when we are at war.
If I decide to murder a German/Canadian/Cypriot in their home country who tries me then?
If I break a local law (which isnt covered by British law) again whos tries me?


Mon 01 Dec at 10:02
Cutaway said:
Damn, I'd forgotten all about this thread.
Best I reply to the angry gentleman.

VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
Is there anything that the RMP do in the UK that couldn't be done by MDP ?
What use would a UK based force, bound by UK laws and territorial regulations, be to an organisation such as the the
armed forces? Please take yourself out of that little bubble that you seem to think resembles real life and think about
the bigger picture!
It's a great pity that within these bubbles of which you appear to be so well informed, in yours you see only problems, not
solutions.
Perhaps that's why you have ended up where you are.
Kismet.
01.
Even if, (and I don't believe it will happen in the next twenty years so your job's safe,) the MDP took over most of the duties
of the RMP in the UK, any use outside the country would entail changes in laws, rules, conditions of service and job
description. I don't think there's that many MDP constables that would sign up to fight, besides it would change their status.
It would be easiest for the amalgamated organisation to be the Brit equivalent of a Gendamerie or Carabineri, it could even
retain the title MDP.


VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
UK Garrison policing by the MDP ?
You have answered your own question. MDP are only authorised to operate on Ministry of Defence Land in the UK!
02.
Again, problems not solutions, see Serial 01. above.


VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
The few specialist areas that the RMP have are already done by the old bill and MDP.
If you know what you are talking about then name the specialist areas? Thats like saying the 'specialist' areas in the
Army are also done by other government departments, which most are!
03.
The non-military duties, eg. Computer Crime, Fraud, Child and Family Protection, CSI, Police training, in fact about anything
the RMP class as 'specialist' - less PARA. And whil we're on that subject: PARA Provost - why ?


VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
What can the RMP do in the UK that any civpol force or Mod Plod can't cover ?
You seem to have nailed the crucial point about RMP, clever you! The fact is though, we dont exist to work in the UK,
04.
Good, ducks in a row there.


VicMackey said:
yes Civpol or MOD Plod could do our job within the UK,
05.
Also in agreement here I see.


VicMackey said:
but not outside, and that is LAW, hence why RMP, not governed by borders or time constraints, are followed by so
many other nations!
06.
Normally out of a sense of curiosity.


VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
As to overseas, Germany and especially Telic are the major things keeping up the RMP numbers right now.
SOFA presently prevents MDP from routine policing on German soil, but instead of merely calling people names, can you
provide any evidence that the EU wouldn't permit it to happen given that the circumstances are unique ?
Quite clearly you havent stepped outside whichever admin office you call work!
07.
Assumptions again, the mother of all fcuk ups


VicMackey said:
Really, get Germany out of your head,
08.
Why ?
Too close to the bone ?


VicMackey said:
the point is that RMP can legally conduct business outside the UK, anywhere in the world!
09.
I believe the legal term for the above is 'bollocks'.
There's many places I wouldn't like to see them try and conduct business in uniform, Zim for one.


VicMackey said:
I;, sure that MDP would love to provide blokes for TELIC or HERRICK, 6 months at a FOB dealing with the murders of
British servicemen, scraping up body parts and treating captured prisoners within the law, would be well within
their job description.
10.
See Serial 01.


VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
Do you believe Germany's busier than UK for police work in RMP terms ?
Errr YES
11.
Why's that ?
There are less sldrs there than in the UK.
Are all those sent to Germany cut from different cloth ?
Do mild mannered AGC clerks turn into the bastard child of Ronnie Biggs and Jeffrey Dahmer overnight just because they've
been given a posting order to Gütersloh ?
Don't you have anyone who can investigate this terrible state of affairs ?


VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
Anyway if we're being honest we know the army's days left in Das Reich are numbered.
Really!!!!! Maybe you arent the AGC Pte I assumed you were!
12.
See Serial 07.


VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
Nor will Telic and Herrick last forever either, so what's the point of the RMP when it all disappears ?
Whats the point of helicopters, infantry, tanks or signals if it disappears? Some of us were here before TELIC or
HERRICK and we seemed to justify ourselves then!
13.
"we seemed to justify ourselves" To whom ? Only to the RMP really.
The biggest commitment outside of Germany was Op Banner which at it's peak was manned by a substantial part of RMP.
Even then, and right up to the cessation of Op Banner, the existence was 'justified' by taking on an infantry role, not a
policing one as that was done by RUC GC.
Any terrorist crime was dealt with by the RUC, RMP involvement in that line died out in the early 80's.
What exactly did SIB get up to in NI ?
Sorting out ND's in loading bays and minor drugs investigations appeared to have taken up quite a bit of their time, which
lets face it, could have easily been done by GPD NCOs.
There was very little in the way of work for the SIB over there that couldn't have been done by the GPD let alone the MDP or
RUC.
Now Op Banner has gone there has been a reduction of troops, and especially RMP in NI.
Given that this is a further reduction in manpower requirements overall, the requirement for RMP has shrunk even further.


VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
While I'm on the subject, what can the RMP do on tour that MDP couldn't accomplish ?
In order to remain politically correct and maintain a reasoned argument I think you should go find your nearest MDP office and ask him/her!
14.
You crack on and step outside the PC boundaries, I won't bubble you.
I'm actually interested in your answer.


VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
CP duties ?
There are plenty of real soldiers who can do that.
Why dont they then? Oh yeah, because those who deserve/require close protection seem to like the fact that only
RMP can look after them.
15.
I wonder who led them to believe that ? :roll:


VicMackey said:
Maybe one day they would like to put their life in the hands of a secretaryin combats! Then again...................
16.
See Serials 07. and 12.
Why do you have this fascination for secretaries ? They can't be the only ones you can overpower, can they ?
Alternatively try Cdo or PARA trained personnel - in fact in any decent Inf unit there are many that would be just as or more
suitable for CP work.


VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
If the MDP did take over UK garrison policing there's nothing to stop the German Police pulling the same number, in fact
they already do in some cases.
You are an idiot. The whole point of the SOFA is that British troops would only ever be tried by UK Law, wherever
they serve in the world!
17.
Please inform the RGJ of that.
I think you've been led up the garden path with regard to the powers the RMP have on foreign soil. There is nothing to
prevent a German Police Officer dealing with a domestic dispute at a Married Quarter, and if they decided to arrest the
husband there's bugger all the Brits can do about it. The GCP in Garrison towns are familiar with the RMP and are generally
happy to hand over stuff to them, (less bumf,) but that doesn't mean that they have to.


VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
Why can't a Tom walk into a German Cop shop to report that his car has been dented or his iPod nicked ?
He can but how much do you think will be done?
18.
Were the Box Plods to have full authority then plenty.
Other foreigners in Germany seem to cope.


VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
Or is the real reason that you don't want the RMP absorbed into the MDP that probably less than a third would be taken ?
I think you might find that the force found to be obsolete in the last few months is in fact the MDP, who are
struggling to justify their existance in light of the introduction of the MGS!
19.
Cracking idea !
Let MDP absorb MGS too, one organisation led by police constables covering all aspects that at the moment need three chains
of comd.
The last time MDP had their backs against the wall, their Chief Constable left the Ministry of Defence with a mandate to
recruit. That was back in the 70's I believe, they were about to be paid off and ended up turning the whole thing on its head.
That's why they are still here.
Given the current terrorist threat, and as RMP have no jurisdiction over civilians, who would be best placed to police a
Garrison?
The RMP or the MDP ?


VicMackey said:
Cutaway said:
I'm sure some SIB blokes would be accepted for further trg, but offrs wouldn't stand a chance.
Think about the big picture! Your little office in the TA centre at Shropshire is really not worth the money it costs for
electricity and some people have jobs to do!
20.
See Serials 07. 12. and 16.


VicMackey said:
Top Tip: STOP!
21.
Why ?
Watching the utter lack of supporting argument from the RMP is both fascinating and enlightening.


VicMackey said:
If you cant, let me know and I will point you in the right direction!!!
22.
Remember, it's only on special occasions that you're allowed to direct traffic.

I think that gives the general layout of the two opposing views, now with over ten days in which to digest the posts, are there any answers forthcoming our RMP bretheren ?
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
#3
Not a bitch fight Airfix, just bringing the relevant gen out so that it is all in context.

There were a number of question that were avoided and some others that cropped up.
I'd just like to hear the reasoned answers.
 
#4
Seem to me the over riding theme of those post is can't the RMP job be done by someone else. Well on the same theme does this mean we Bin the Royal Signals and outsource it to Atlas? RLC to Eddie Stobart and the REME to Quick fit? SPS to Office Temps and I'm sure Olive would be happy to apply for the Infantry Contract, the list is endless but as far as I can see every Corps has a role in the current ORBAT and bitchin about one Cap badge or another is a pretty pointless exercise.
 

BuggerAll

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
#5
Baldrick66 said:
Seem to me the over riding theme of those post is can't the RMP job be done by someone else. Well on the same theme does this mean we Bin the Royal Signals and outsource it to Atlas? RLC to Eddie Stobart and the REME to Quick fit? SPS to Office Temps and I'm sure Olive would be happy to apply for the Infantry Contract, the list is endless but as far as I can see every Corps has a role in the current ORBAT and bitchin about one Cap badge or another is a pretty pointless exercise.
Baldrick - Cunning and correct.
 
#6
Baldrick, you've hit the nail on the head with that one mate. Each Corps has a unique set of skills, all of which bring something to the party. The problem here is not one of whether we (RMP) have anything to offer, because quite obviously we do, but the simple fact that a lot of people do not like us because of the job we do.

To be perfectly honest I really don't care how much any of you dislike me, I am here to do my job, if that means arresting one of you for a crime serious enough to warrant you doing time, then so be it, I won't lose any sleep over it.

The mentality of a few on this board is childish and immature. The whole "I hate the monkeys" rant is futile. Those who have that attitude, when you next have a crime committed against you or yours, remember how you felt about the RMP prior to that crime, then comare it to how you feel about them if or when a successful prosecution and conviction is secured. Quite an easy exercise in self reflection.

The vast majority of RMP are actually interested in the job, of course there are some throbbers, but can any Corps claim not to have a few? I thought not.

At the end of the day we exist because people in the Services continue to commit crime, some of it extremely serious. If you hate us so much and want rid simply stop being criminals, the Army will have no choice but to cull us and I'll gladly take the money for redundancy.
 
#7
Baldrick66 said:
Seem to me the over riding theme of those post is can't the RMP job be done by someone else. Well on the same theme does this mean we Bin the Royal Signals and outsource it to Atlas? RLC to Eddie Stobart and the REME to Quick fit? SPS to Office Temps and I'm sure Olive would be happy to apply for the Infantry Contract, the list is endless but as far as I can see every Corps has a role in the current ORBAT and bitchin about one Cap badge or another is a pretty pointless exercise.
You will have to have RMP in the ORBAT, until someone invents self-propelled traffic cones, that can get themselves into position to direct convoy traffic.

That would represent a huge saving, because they could be locked up in a store when they weren't needed, and MoD wouldn't have to find a 'just pretend' role for them, leaving them loafing around garrisons trying to act as if they knew what being proper coppers is all about. :D
 
#8
Cutaway said:
Not a bitch fight Airfix, just bringing the relevant gen out so that it is all in context.

There were a number of question that were avoided and some others that cropped up.
I'd just like to hear the reasoned answers.
Cuts, I think you're just fucked off at being accused of being a clerk. :D
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
#9
Baldrick66 said:
Seem to me the over riding theme of those post is can't the RMP job be done by someone else. Well on the same theme does this mean we Bin the Royal Signals and outsource it to Atlas? RLC to Eddie Stobart and the REME to Quick fit? SPS to Office Temps and I'm sure Olive would be happy to apply for the Infantry Contract, the list is endless but as far as I can see every Corps has a role in the current ORBAT and bitchin about one Cap badge or another is a pretty pointless exercise.
Many if not most internet discussions can be labelled as pointless exercises but this isn't a capbadge bitch.

It's not so much can the job be done by a civvy contractor, rather are there Crown servants who are as good as or more suited to the rôle.

Which essential jobs do you consider can only be carried out by the RMP ?
 
#10
Cutaway said:
Many if not most internet discussions can be labelled as pointless exercises but this isn't a capbadge bitch.

It's not so much can the job be done by a civvy contractor, rather are there Crown servants who are as good as or more suited to the rôle.

Which essential jobs do you consider can only be carried out by the RMP ?
I would say about the same number as any other capbadge, SPS could be replaced entirely by snivel serpents doing the admin. RMP could be replaced by MDP as long as the terms and conditions for MDP were completely overhauled. BUT NO Capbadge couldn't be replaced by something else when you boil it all down. However you then don't have Soldiers do you?

To put it another way do you really want to train an infantry soldier to operate a warrior and then get him cooking in a Kitchen? No you train someone in basic soldiering skills then specialise him as a chef. The same goes for RMP except you train him in report writing skills and teach him rules of evidence etc It is all a matter of horses for courses and is a model that works.
 
#11
Cuts that must be the longest post... ever. FACT.

Daytona seems very able to slate other people and call them stupid, whilst NEVER actually rationally explaining your view. What a dullard.

I like the idea of the Joint MPs though. They are already training all the Service police in one place, why not add the MoD Plod side of it. Then the RMPs would be able to act as REAL police, ie arrest civvies, etc.

The bit about MoD Plod serving on ops could easily be addressed, as could any problems with them serving overseas. RMP operate overseas, why not MoD Plod.

MoD Plod are all armed too.... Just like soldiers.

Maybe this would generate in to a British Caribinari. They could make a bit of a grab on to the Airport security and CP too.
 
#12
chocolate_frog said:
The bit about MoD Plod serving on ops could easily be addressed, as could any problems with them serving overseas. RMP operate overseas, why not MoD Plod.
Is your argument seriously: "we have these guys, they could do those guys jobs, let's get rid of those guys and use these guys"?

surely, as said above, that's applicable to just about any other cap badge?
 
#13
Lampard said:
Is your argument seriously: "we have these guys, they could do those guys jobs, let's get rid of those guys and use these guys"?

surely, as said above, that's applicable to just about any other cap badge?
My arguement is... could we develop the RMP, RAF Police and RN Conductors AND the MoD Police in to a single entity that is capable of the majority of tasks that are currently handled by these organisations.

Taking the MPS too.

It doesn't have to be one trade, one Corps'.

Could the whole system benefit?

Perhaps also TAKING away such posts as QM, MT and Signals from the RMP capbadge to be filled at E2. Allowing the monkeys et al to really concentrate on Policing and investigation.
 
#14
CF

A number of interesting points and none that haven't been raised over the years. Purple Policing has been looked into again and again but the stumbling block always will be firstly Political in as much as a large number of acts of Parliament would need to be overturned and re written and secondly would be cost and I'm sure value for money would rear its head as well. Basically what you are looking at would be a National Police Service not unlike the Carbinari or Gendarmerie but under MOD control and not the Home Office. I can hear the screams of Police state already over that idea.
The RAF Police and Navy Regulators have many different roles to RMP. RAFP have a role of Security Investigations in the Army that is carried out by Int. Navy Regs carry out an admin function on board ships, the Army has SPS to achieve the same function. A real can of worms in my opinion and the end result is you still have yet another service that requires funding and training. You can't add the MPS into the equation as they still need to remain a separate and impartial branch due to the fact you cannot mix a Police and Custodial Role hence the separation in the home office of HMPS and Police.

As for the one Corps Idea.............. they've already done it (At least in the Army) Adjutants General Corps ring any bells? or are you proposing extending the AGC to all services? One Corps several branches several trades?
 
#15
Baldrick66 said:
As for the one Corps Idea.............. they've already done it (At least in the Army) Adjutants General Corps ring any bells? or are you proposing extending the AGC to all services? One Corps several branches several trades?
Nope, extracting the MPs from the AGC and merging them with their blue brothers, or sisters.

Regulators, not conductors... doh.

Didn't know they did the admin stuff too.
 
#16
CF

MPS is already part of the Provost Branch under command of the Provost Marshal along with the MPGS and RMP. But the custodial role is firmly divorced from the Police side of things as per Home Office Police Service and Prison Service.
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
#17
Baldrick66 said:
Cutaway said:
Many if not most internet discussions can be labelled as pointless exercises but this isn't a capbadge bitch.

It's not so much can the job be done by a civvy contractor, rather are there Crown servants who are as good as or more suited to the rôle.

Which essential jobs do you consider can only be carried out by the RMP ?
I would say about the same number as any other capbadge, SPS could be replaced entirely by snivel serpents doing the admin. RMP could be replaced by MDP as long as the terms and conditions for MDP were completely overhauled. BUT NO Capbadge couldn't be replaced by something else when you boil it all down. However you then don't have Soldiers do you?

To put it another way do you really want to train an infantry soldier to operate a warrior and then get him cooking in a Kitchen? No you train someone in basic soldiering skills then specialise him as a chef. The same goes for RMP except you train him in report writing skills and teach him rules of evidence etc It is all a matter of horses for courses and is a model that works.
That is actually what the RM do. In fact their Police Troop is all trained Marines.
From time to time an odd RMP bod goes there.
 
#18
chocolate_frog said:
They are already training all the Service police in one place, why not add the MoD Plod side of it. Then the RMPs would be able to act as REAL police, ie arrest civvies, etc.
Come on.....This bit has got to be a WAH of the highest order. Confusing MOD Plod and real police!!!??? Do be brief.

The vast majority of the MOD Plod have joined that force because they do not want to do real police work. In fact, quite a lot are retired cops, doing a bit to enhance their pension.

I am sure it would be quite interesting to see how many jump ship if they are told that they were to be deployed to any operational theatre in support of the teeth arms. Come on lets spread this amalgamation rumour!!

Lets face it...if someone joins the MDP they do not want to be a soldier.

If someone joins the RMP they do not want to be a civilian policeman/woman (well at least to begin with).

And before some cock laughs at the combination of RMP and soldier.....think hard about those the Corps has lost on operations since 2003, and they weren't conducting shagging traffic control.
 
#19
Baldrick66 said:
Cutaway said:
Many if not most internet discussions can be labelled as pointless exercises but this isn't a capbadge bitch.

It's not so much can the job be done by a civvy contractor, rather are there Crown servants who are as good as or more suited to the rôle.

Which essential jobs do you consider can only be carried out by the RMP ?
I would say about the same number as any other capbadge, SPS could be replaced entirely by snivel serpents doing the admin. RMP could be replaced by MDP as long as the terms and conditions for MDP were completely overhauled. BUT NO Capbadge couldn't be replaced by something else when you boil it all down. However you then don't have Soldiers do you?

To put it another way do you really want to train an infantry soldier to operate a warrior and then get him cooking in a Kitchen? No you train someone in basic soldiering skills then specialise him as a chef. The same goes for RMP except you train him in report writing skills and teach him rules of evidence etc It is all a matter of horses for courses and is a model that works.
I can't believe that it took the whole thread for this point to be made.

The idea of the RMP being "merged" with a civillian police force goes against some of the fundemental concepts that society and policing in this country are based on.

There is duplication in policing the military with the various agencies involved. However, the MDP would learn a lot from the RMP, about policing. The majority of guys who I served with at two different stations in the MDP had never arrested anyone. In the year that I was a bobby with them (prior to transfering back to a home office Police Force) I never arrested anybody nor was I on duty when anyone else made an arrest. The MDP's uniform contingent is almost entirely an armed security contigent wrapped up in juristinctional contraints. They are however a civil force, MDP officers hold the office of constable and are independant in law. This concept is sacrosacnt. The idea of a soldier having the power to arrest a cilvillian for civil offences (as the MDP do, however rarely they actually use these powers) is effectively the introduction of matrial law.

Other points to consdier in this idea would be a rank structure, I can't see many MDP constables wanting to become L/Cpls and lose ten grand a year. I can't imagine many soldiers outsaide the RMP being happy at seeing their redcap colleagues with a few years service gain a huge increase in pay either. I'm sure that there are numerous other constitutional, logistical and moral dramas that would come to light from such a move that I havent considered.
 
#20
Cutaway said:
That is actually what the RM do. In fact their Police Troop is all trained Marines.
From time to time an odd RMP bod goes there.
Yes and ALL Corps are TRAINED SOLDIERS first and foremost. Using the RM as an example with the SQ model, we can lose ALL cap badges and have just one, then specialise in one area ie Chef, Signals MP etc just as the boot necks do. Something I believe the Army does already? Albeit giving different trades different Cap Badges. Circular argument as the RM are still using the same basic model of specialisation as the Army just on a smaller scale with an single Cap badge Identity.
 

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