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Bob65

War Hero
That kind of "macho management" / "my way or the highway" attitudes were exactly what got said bank into trouble. Because guess what? By the time there's any fallout, the ruthless careerists whose names go on those kinds of statements, are generally long gone from that bank to a shiny promotion in another bank...
Nothing macho about it, I've just wasted too much of my life nagging people to read thing and do things that they were being paid a fortune to read and do. Whole teams prepped for a busy weekend stood down because some tosser - who was paid a lot more than all of us - couldn't be bothered, presumably too busy doing "ruthless careerist" stuff, to peruse a short document then just say yay or nay (and if nay, why). All I want is for those types to earn their big bucks by actually taking some responsibility, which they won't do by choice, they've been promoted precisely by avoiding it!
 

A2_Matelot

LE
Book Reviewer
We, (well, not me in any shape or form) are clearly up to sneaky things too, as we should be.

But I can’t ignore just how much easier things are for China than the UK.

In a funny way the last few years, and this year in particular have highlighted some differences.

When NA was used in Salisbury we saw the leader of the opposition say he would rather trust Russia than the U.K. police or SIS. Imho that kind of attitude shouldn’t exist in a mainstream U.K. party. A similar anti China attitude wouldn’t have happened in China........Even if it wasnt a one party state.

During the Brexit saga we saw or heard Steve Bray everyday trying to out shout MSM presenters at Westminster. It goes without saying that a Steve Blay in China could up up as dog food.

We have seen Chinese expansion into Africa, yet meanwhile in the UK we have a growing bunch of people saying Brits are colonial racists.........even while they are still in the UK.

For those who know Bristol, you may be aware of the tower block near the new court that is luxury accommodation for overseas Chinese students.

The wealthy Chinese students who live there can wander around the City doing whatever they want whenever they want.........it’s a free country after all.

I get the impression British students in a Chinese Uni might not get the same freedom of movement, unlimited internet access or freedom to go wherever they want.

While I’d expect the vast majority of students at the above tower block to simply be spoilt rich kids, some of them are part of groundbreaking work at Bristol uni.

On the other hand, the Chinese can perhaps just see easy targets, the famous ‘MG deal’ where the Brit MG cars team got drunk while the Chinese team didn’t is a good example. :)
Most of that is culture and stupidity.

Manufacturing in the UK was in the toilet before China and India appeared with cash. The UK had decided to be the services leader in the Eurozone and to try to lead at research and innovation.

I've no idea how MI5 watches foreigners but they will be aware of the risks from all manner of nations 'students'. We do need to protect IPR, a lot of that is driven by NCSC.
 

Slime

LE
You're making lots of assertions about cryptography and engineering that don't quite stack up. So, how about an example of a British-designed, British-built thing that's being made in China as a "real product"? It has to be suitably complex, and not just a straight lift of the production drawings from one Chinese production line to the next.

Yes, I'm aware that they've had a fun attitude to Intellectual Property and industrial espionage, for years now. Like a lot of other nations. So what? They aren't superheroes.
Who said the Chinese were superheroes?
If you are aware they have had a ‘fun attitude’ as you put it, what are you asserting?

Rather than the Chinese being superheroes what I have been saying is that the U.K. is making things easier. How likely would the issue with Imagination technologies group have even been allowed to begin if the roles were reversed. The above case hasn‘t progressed to be a major issue, and was out in the open, but wouldn’t have even started if the roles had been reversed.

When we look at the xi’an Y20 are we supposed to think it’s American, Airbus and Russian features are all by chance?
 

Slime

LE
Most of that is culture and stupidity.

Manufacturing in the UK was in the toilet before China and India appeared with cash. The UK had decided to be the services leader in the Eurozone and to try to lead at research and innovation.

I've no idea how MI5 watches foreigners but they will be aware of the risks from all manner of nations 'students'. We do need to protect IPR, a lot of that is driven by NCSC.
I’m pretty much with you on all the above, but watching someone from any country won’t stop them seeing a project they are working on :)

The U.K. also love foreign uni students as they bring lots of cash.
Perhaps a comparison (as this is ARRSE) are US briefings where non US eyes are excluded, but in the U.K. we welcome everyone for education. At Bristol uni we see lots of Asian students gaining from corporate knowledge and prior R and D simply by stumping up cash. The same argument doesn’t necessarily apply to UWE, which is the other local uni.

Maybe there are U.K. students working on similar cutting edge research in Chinese universities, and with China having full knowledge those students would return to the U.K. once qualified.

I don’t have any practical answers. We are a free country, and as per our rules everyone is welcome.
 

Greenfly

Clanker
I had the absolute pleasure to observe the men of 287A troop on completing their 9 mile speed march whilst down at CTC on a course. That troop is entirely comprised of recruits from Hunter Rehabilitation Company who have worked hard to recover from injuries and return to training.
Unfortunately a few have been posted to CLR but hey, beggars can’t be choosers.

Some gen-

40 Cdo have just completed a hoofin live fire ex with elements of SBS

45 Cdo have been taking part in vital disaster relief training to ensure they are ready to help islands nations in the Caribbean during hurricane season.

42 Cdo are current in USA working with an array of American units including USMC

47 (raiding gp ) are in the Caribbean on counter narcotics operations

Busy busy.


PS @alfred_the_great and I is the perfect example for brain Vs brawn
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
Most of that is culture and stupidity.

Manufacturing in the UK was in the toilet before China and India appeared with cash. The UK had decided to be the services leader in the Eurozone and to try to lead at research and innovation.

I've no idea how MI5 watches foreigners but they will be aware of the risks from all manner of nations 'students'. We do need to protect IPR, a lot of that is driven by NCSC.
I disagree. Much of the manufacturing in this country is still at the cutting edge despite all. And point of order: it was Blair and Brown who decided we were going to become a services economy, not 'the UK'. The myopic twosome were continually warned against it, in fact.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
The U.K. also love foreign uni students as they bring lots of cash.
There's your answer.

But if you offer a mediocre degree, people won't come. That implies being more open. The knock-on is what does that cost you in terms of flashing your knickers/short-term income versus long-term national/industrial competitiveness?
 

Slime

LE
There's your answer.

But if you offer a mediocre degree, people won't come. That implies being more open. The knock-on is what does that cost you in terms of flashing your knickers/short-term income versus long-term national/industrial competitiveness?
How very dare you.

I don’t flash my knickers at anyone...........................how much did you say you were willing to pay? :)
 
Don't forger 'agile' "our forces will be more agile" they love that one.
'Lean' focussed on 'expeditionary' tasks.

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A2_Matelot

LE
Book Reviewer
I’m pretty much with you on all the above, but watching someone from any country won’t stop them seeing a project they are working on :)

The U.K. also love foreign uni students as they bring lots of cash.
Perhaps a comparison (as this is ARRSE) are US briefings where non US eyes are excluded, but in the U.K. we welcome everyone for education. At Bristol uni we see lots of Asian students gaining from corporate knowledge and prior R and D simply by stumping up cash. The same argument doesn’t necessarily apply to UWE, which is the other local uni.

Maybe there are U.K. students working on similar cutting edge research in Chinese universities, and with China having full knowledge those students would return to the U.K. once qualified.

I don’t have any practical answers. We are a free country, and as per our rules everyone is welcome.
There are Western companies who pay chinese speakers to trawl Chinese academic literature. it is worth paying post PhD people enough to do this - we all play the games.

We're not the only country that loves foreign students and their currency and we're certainly not the worst. Australia is going to be massively affected when China declines to send the students and their $ as a result of their squabble. It will affect UK universities and boarding schools.
 

Bob65

War Hero
But if you offer a mediocre degree, people won't come.
There was a time that a British degree was considered highly prestigious in China but I hear that's changing with all the ex-polys churning them out. Chinese employers are starting to wonder why graduates are returning clutching a piece of parchment but without having learnt any English or anything about the subject.

We really need to just revert them all to poly status. Nothing wrong with a vocational HNC or HND. Not everything needs to be a degree and not every job even needs a degree. And some of them should just close altogether as pointless.
 
There was a time that a British degree was considered highly prestigious in China but I hear that's changing with all the ex-polys churning them out. Chinese employers are starting to wonder why graduates are returning clutching a piece of parchment but without having learnt any English or anything about the subject.

We really need to just revert them all to poly status. Nothing wrong with a vocational HNC or HND. Not everything needs to be a degree and not every job even needs a degree. And some of them should just close altogether as pointless.
There was something on telly this morning about a course in studying comic books. FFS. That's right up there with surf and beach management.
 
I disagree. Much of the manufacturing in this country is still at the cutting edge despite all. And point of order: it was Blair and Brown who decided we were going to become a services economy, not 'the UK'. The myopic twosome were continually warned against it, in fact.
We're still cutting edge in areas but the service sector had been bigger than manufacturing since.....

The nature of the labour market has changed considerably over the last 170 years. In 1841 most people worked in manufacturing, but by 1881 those working in services overtook manufacturing. From 1961 the gap between services and manufacturing widened at its fastest rate, and by 2011 80% of workers were in the service industry and 10% in manufacturing.
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Transition from a manufacturing to service led labour market over past 170 years - Office for National Statistics
 
. Chinese employers are starting to wonder why graduates are returning clutching a piece of parchment but without having learnt any English or anything about the subject.
1) There are so many Chinese students they don't need to socialise with anyone who is not Chinese.
2) The levels of cheating going on amongst the Chinese students has to be seen to be believed.
3) No one will question 2) as they don't want to interrupt the flow of dosh.
4) There was a significant difference in the quality of Chinese student on my MBA between year 1 and year 2 when the Uni realised they could up the level of English required and still fill the numbers.
 
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Greenfly

Clanker
Just had it confirmed that a SERE package will be tagged onto CTC recruit training. Taking place in Cornwall. This will be CAT C SERE (pre-deployment level - lectures, basic lessons) not a full SERE package.
 
Just had it confirmed that a SERE package will be tagged onto CTC recruit training. Taking place in Cornwall. This will be CAT C SERE (pre-deployment level - lectures, basic lessons) not a full SERE package.
Seeing as cornish people were saying f*** off home to tourists at the weekend, it might be needed sooner than you think.
 
Just had it confirmed that a SERE package will be tagged onto CTC recruit training. Taking place in Cornwall. This will be CAT C SERE (pre-deployment level - lectures, basic lessons) not a full SERE package.
they had to re-write the lesson plan for the SERE package delivered in Cornwall. A number of civvies saw individuals in orange jumpsuits and blacked out masks being herded around in public, and promptly called the police concerned rendition flights were taking place! They now wear pusser's white overalls when being moved in public...
 

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