Not many serving stagged on in 2010 when I left, and I suspect even fewer now. Pretty much all MGS, who were essentially civvies.You do an armed stag on the gate as a civvie do you?
I didn't claim civvies were workshy retards although its interesting that you thought that.
My point was you cant make civvies do anything outside of their contract in the Army. Yet balloonheads like Jim30 tout how much cheaper it is to replace Pte Bloggs with Mr Bloggs because you dont have to pay civvies so much or give them subsidised housing. Then when you ask, who will be doing Pte Bloggs duties, tours, exercises, unpaid overtime, jiff jobs, emergency call out etc the answer seems to be everyone else can cover it.
That said I am minded to agree with the general unease about "civilianisation" or "contractorisation". It looks like a saving, but when the sh1t hits the fan it all turns out quite expensive.
In Baghdad I spent over $12 million on sandbags and concrete shelters (in a 6 month period). I had sand, a couple of thousand shovel capable jundii and could get empty sandbags by the million. I could even turn the effort into a training exercise. But the contract for "defence stores" had been let, so I was debarred from doing that and my only option was to buy the sandbags from KBR, filled at $10 a time. Delivered to the general location not just where the sandbags were needed, I still had to get the jundii to unload them and put them into position, a scale of effort much greater then them filling them in the first place.
There are many other examples from my time. The comparison is straightforward. A soldier (sailor or airman) costs x. A contract individual costs pretty much the same. The difference comes when one organisation needs to add a margin on top for "profit"