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A2_Matelot

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However, that does beg the question of when and where we expect to land troops in force?
I think that's still largely undecided. NATO tasking and potential National tasking aside we walked away from X size landings a long time ago. I cant recall the formation phrase but our aspirations for opposed landings are pretty minimal.
 

Cold_Collation

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More a recognition that its pointless having your standing forces sat on their Arrse far away from where trouble might be

So in light with a Government that wants "global britain", realign the RM towards a more MarSpOC focused role, note not Special Forces, and have elements based forwards in regions of interest. Very similar in concept to USMC MAGTAF-CR but a lot lighter.

Docks well with the RN adopting an increasingly forward deployed posture and working hard to get, and keep, platforms out the door and working.

Will still retain Amphibious/landing roles but that will need future investment after littoral strike platforms have been brought into being (I'd guess converted platforms first and maybe specialist builds in the future).
Yes, fair.
 
My Lass and I were cycling past bottom the field on Tuesday, one poor bugger being beasted, and another group going through GPMG drills in one of the weapons stances.

Her reaction was "Oh they are just babies, so young and innocent like her boy".

My reaction was "God, I would do anything to be 18 and do it all again"

Seeing these newspaper reports and speaking to couple of the guys I know who are still in about what is changing, I really wish that I could be rocking up to Lympstone Commando train station in a suit with a suitcase.
Was this at low tide ?
 
My Lass and I were cycling past bottom the field on Tuesday, one poor bugger being beasted, and another group going through GPMG drills in one of the weapons stances.

Her reaction was "Oh they are just babies, so young and innocent like her boy".

My reaction was "God, I would do anything to be 18 and do it all again"

Seeing these newspaper reports and speaking to couple of the guys I know who are still in about what is changing, I really wish that I could be rocking up to Lympstone Commando train station in a suit with a suitcase.
You may do, but whenever I go past I still get a shudder go down my spine.
 

A2_Matelot

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The RN have already absolutely rinsed the Defence Budget by building obsolete missile targets that we don't need. They need to find some way to ring-fence money that the Army could really do with. What better way, than to change a couple of badges and jazz up littoral manoeuvre, another thing that we don't really need.
You mean the Army that has spectacularly wasted money on watch keeper, better part of three quarters of a billion of investment sat in hangars doing squat all. Or the fantastic job of FRES/MIV or the wonderful job with Trinity/Morpheus or the white elephant of Land EWSI?

The RN made a strategic pitch and delivered it. LAND has just lurched from failure to failure over the last 10 years and in my view needs to be radical in this IR or may become an irrelevance.

Great stats during CV19 - 95% of the RN remained productive, 90% of the RAF remained productive. 80% of the Army was sent away on leave. May be spin upon spin, but strap lines like that will resonate in the IR.
 

Caecilius

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I know zero about weapon systems. What’s the advantage of this C8 over the standard SA80?
Lighter and more ergonomic so much easier to use. The real reason for the change is probably allyness though; it's not like the SA80 is terrible.
 

A2_Matelot

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The RN have already absolutely rinsed the Defence Budget by building obsolete missile targets that we don't need.
You miss the point, Defence and the Govt agreed we did need them. Hence they were funded.

Far from obsolete and flying the flag for the UK, supporting Allies and in the not too distant future adding to the "global britain" intent.

Meanwhile LAND are still dithering over Strike Brigades that need the RN and RAF to get anywhere.
 

Yarra

Old-Salt
The withdrawal of permanently based forces from East of Suez took place sometime circa1968.
Is HMG really going to turn back the clock 50 odd years and re-establish such a presence. ?Or is this merely CGRM flying a kite, and the Telegraph getting unwittingly dragged along.?
Def posture is v definitely pivoting back to include East of Suez. Has been for some time, will almost certainly accelerate post Brexit and COVID (China now on the naughty step).

Y
 

Slime

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As discussed elsewhere, it's Crye.

And I'm genuinely surprised this has been cleared for announcement.
There was a thread discussing the change in camouflage and uniform before this thread started.

Maybe the OP couldn’t see it :)
 

Yarra

Old-Salt
You miss the point, Defence and the Govt agreed we did need them. Hence they were funded.

Far from obsolete and flying the flag for the UK, supporting Allies and in the not too distant future adding to the "global britain" intent.

Meanwhile LAND are still dithering over Strike Brigades that need the RN and RAF to get anywhere.
Shhhh.... you’ll upset the Zealots.
 

A2_Matelot

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Book Reviewer
Therefore, surely, the important bit would be a surface fleet, rather than carriers or littoral.

Personally, I think CASD combined with the ability to give someone a non-nuclear bloody nose is what we really need.
That's the whole point of a forward deployed Navy. It can deliver that bloody nose to a range of adversaries and is closer to the fight.

A surface fleet without aviation is fine but A2AD and extreme long-range targetting by a lot of peer/near peer adversaries means you wamt to give that surface force long arms, hence carrier based strike/ISR assets and in due course a swing back to SSGW from FF/DD and less reliance upon the SSN for that mission.
 
Def posture is v definitely pivoting back to include East of Suez. Has been for some time, will almost certainly accelerate post Brexit and COVID (China now on the naughty step).

Y
I get the ABA newsletter which usually gives information on recent NGS deployments. There have been a number of exercises in the Indian Ocean with local Naval units and the growing concensus - particularly from the smaller nations, is that they want us back.
 

A2_Matelot

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Can someone please explain the point of a “drone” boat as opposed to a UAV?
One floats and one flies.

At a similar cost point one will carry heavier loads, have longer endurance. Their roles/utility will be very different but could overlap.

Autonomous mine sensing better from a floaty thing, Autonomous ISR in a lot of cases better from an air thing.
 
One floats and one flies.

At a similar cost point one will carry heavier loads, have longer endurance. Their roles/utility will be very different but could overlap.

Autonomous mine sensing better from a floaty thing, Autonomous ISR in a lot of cases better from an air thing.
Cheers.
 
I don't disagree that the lack of a hangar is a major design flaw.

However, you can put mass (and heavy equipment) ashore very much faster from the sea. You can even do so more covertly, given helicopters are really loud and decent air search radar coverage is easier to achieve than picking up low and small seagoing contacts.

However, that does beg the question of when and where we expect to land troops in force?
the problem is, anti ship missiles have made an opposed beach landing with steely chaps supported by tanks running up the beach a very bad idea, so, you put it all ashore through a port you own and road march it to the festivities.
and if you are putting it ashore through a port, contracted in RoRos are the way to go.

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