Royal Marines Gucci Rebrand

Its the corps distancing itself from the old amphibious model of LCUs, BARVs and LPDs. Good news for Royal, bad news for the Moralbion and Bulwank.
running up other people’s beaches like Private a Ryan is not what RM was ever meant to do.
as you say, it’s back to the future as a raiding force.
Fast forward two of the Strat RoRos getting converted into Littoral Strike Ships and they can sell off the two now rather pointless LPD’s along with the LCU’s and the few remaining LCVPs to some South American Navy.
 

Augustus

War Hero
So the question now is:

Why would any young sprog join the Army when you can join the Marines instead, play with guccier kit, wear more ally clothes and travel to better places more often?
But that was always the question. Individuals with ambition, fitness and intelligence were always drawn to Lympstone. Those who failed to get into the Royals have to go somewhere, and those that fail to even get into the army were left with the Short Range Desert Group. It’s the natural order of things.

*Retires to a safe distance......*
 

ancienturion

LE
Book Reviewer
But that was always the question. Individuals with ambition, fitness and intelligence were always drawn to Lympstone. Those who failed to get into the Royals have to go somewhere, and those that fail to even get into the army were left with the Short Range Desert Group. It’s the natural order of things.

*Retires to a safe distance......*
Like the two blokes I joined up with in the 90s, both of whom failed RAF Phase 2 courses miserably (one failed navigator training, one failed Rockape officers' course*), both of whom are now full Colonels in the British Army, you mean?

:D:D:D

* No shame in failing either, as I am led to believe the 'chop rate' on both was c40-45%.
 
Last edited:

bob231

War Hero
Aren’t the Bay class RFAs mentioned in the article, just cheap and cheerful versions of Albion and Bulwark anyway?
With similar capacity for carrying troops and vehicles (admittedly without as much capacity to land them fast), just none of the pointlessly Gucci embarked HQ features. Which makes them less attractive to the Amphib HQ (changed its name from ComATG recently).
 
With similar capacity for carrying troops and vehicles (admittedly without as much capacity to land them fast), just none of the pointlessly Gucci embarked HQ features. Which makes them less attractive to the Amphib HQ (changed its name from ComATG recently).

and both the LPDs and LSDA’s suffer the same fundamental design omission, no proper hanger for permanently embarked aviation support.

which is a bit of an issue now running up beaches is so last decade and everyone jumps in a helo.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
I know zero about weapon systems. What’s the advantage of this C8 over the standard SA80?
I can imagine the argument is going to be that it's ambidextrous and therefore suited to role.

Much of the reality may also be that the RM has wanted to seen as Special since forever and the C8 has long been the sign of a UK SF unit.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
and both the LPDs and LSDA’s suffer the same fundamental design omission, no proper hanger for permanently embarked aviation support.

which is a bit of an issue now running up beaches is so last decade and everyone jumps in a helo.
Which is why as far back as Suez we had such as HMS Hermes.

The fact that we chugged ashore in 1982 shows just how far back we'd fallen back since just a decade after WWII.
 
The RN have already absolutely rinsed the Defence Budget by building obsolete missile targets that we don't need. They need to find some way to ring-fence money that the Army could really do with. What better way, than to change a couple of badges and jazz up littoral manoeuvre, another thing that we don't really need.
We're an island. Floating stuff with flying stuff and fighty men onboard are what we need.
 
So the question now is:

Why would any young sprog join the Army when you can join the Marines instead, play with guccier kit, wear more ally clothes and travel to better places more often?
My Lass and I were cycling past bottom the field on Tuesday, one poor bugger being beasted, and another group going through GPMG drills in one of the weapons stances.

Her reaction was "Oh they are just babies, so young and innocent like her boy".

My reaction was "God, I would do anything to be 18 and do it all again"

Seeing these newspaper reports and speaking to couple of the guys I know who are still in about what is changing, I really wish that I could be rocking up to Lympstone Commando train station in a suit with a suitcase.
 
So the question now is:

Why would any young sprog join the Army when you can join the Marines instead, play with guccier kit, wear more ally clothes and travel to better places more often?
and look like something out of metal gear solid
 
We're an island. Floating stuff with flying stuff and fighty men onboard are what we need.
That logic doesn't make sense. The boats with sailors with guns aboard is to walk unopposed on to someone else's beach, not our own. Planes don't care whether it's water or land beneath them.

Therefore, surely, the important bit would be a surface fleet, rather than carriers or littoral.

Personally, I think CASD combined with the ability to give someone a non-nuclear bloody nose is what we really need.
 

bob231

War Hero
and both the LPDs and LSDA’s suffer the same fundamental design omission, no proper hanger for permanently embarked aviation support.

which is a bit of an issue now running up beaches is so last decade and everyone jumps in a helo.
I don't disagree that the lack of a hangar is a major design flaw.

However, you can put mass (and heavy equipment) ashore very much faster from the sea. You can even do so more covertly, given helicopters are really loud and decent air search radar coverage is easier to achieve than picking up low and small seagoing contacts.

However, that does beg the question of when and where we expect to land troops in force?
 

A2_Matelot

LE
Book Reviewer
Much of the reality may also be that the RM has wanted to seen as Special since forever and the C8 has long been the sign of a UK SF unit.
More a recognition that its pointless having your standing forces sat on their Arrse far away from where trouble might be

So in light with a Government that wants "global britain", realign the RM towards a more MarSpOC focused role, note not Special Forces, and have elements based forwards in regions of interest. Very similar in concept to USMC MAGTAF-CR but a lot lighter.

Docks well with the RN adopting an increasingly forward deployed posture and working hard to get, and keep, platforms out the door and working.

Will still retain Amphibious/landing roles but that will need future investment after littoral strike platforms have been brought into being (I'd guess converted platforms first and maybe specialist builds in the future).
 
My Lass and I were cycling past bottom the field on Tuesday, one poor bugger being beasted, and another group going through GPMG drills in one of the weapons stances.

Her reaction was "Oh they are just babies, so young and innocent like her boy".

My reaction was "God, I would do anything to be 18 and do it all again"

Seeing these newspaper reports and speaking to couple of the guys I know who are still in about what is changing, I really wish that I could be rocking up to Lympstone Commando train station in a suit with a suitcase.
You can. Just turn up, shout yes the second time they call someone's name and you've got their place!
 

Latest Threads

Top