Royal Marine who jumped on grenade awarded George Cross

#2
Unbelievable stuff. Well done to that Marine, he deserves every ounce of respect and praise he gets.
 
#3
When the bang went off he was thrown through the air and suffered just a nose bleed.
L/Cpl Croucher was examined by a medic who recommended he should be evacuated but the Marine, who has completed three tours of Iraq, was determined to stay to fight the Taliban and within an hour had shot an insurgent approaching their position.
Insane.

Respect.
 
#5
There was a chappie threw himself on a grenade in WW1, he got a VC



In fact this guy agrees with me

The reason Ashcroft is convinced that Croucher deserves a medal, is that the incident is similar to one at the Battle of the Somme during WW1 when a 20-year-old serving with the Royal Irish Rifles did almost exactly the same thing and won a VC for it. When a box of hand-grenades slipped into a trench packed with soldiers, two of the grenades lost their pins. Billy McFadzean threw himself onto the grenades to smother the explosion.



http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/people,839,ashcroft-campaigns-for-brave-marine-to-win-vc,23812
 
#6
I think they need to re-think the award and upgrade it...definitely above and beyond the call of duty in my opinion.

I raise my hat to you Sir!
 
#7
Definitely worthy of a VC in my opinion!!

Its also worth noting that L/Cpl Croucher is a Royal Marines Reservist, who was on attachment to 40 Commando.
 

the_boy_syrup

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#8
Should be a VC
Enemy grenade - Enemy Booby trap = Courage in the face of the enemy to me

But still a well deserved award
 
#9
chocolate_frog said:
GC why not a VC?
Quote-"Now he has been awarded the George Cross, the highest decoration for bravery while not in the face of the enemy, which is surpassed only by the award of the Victoria Cross for the highest level of bravery in the face of the enemy."

I understand what you mean though.
 
#10
Its actually a misnomer that the GC and VC are senior/junior to each other, they are in fact equal, so "upgrading" isn't really the correct term.

Well done Royal, insanely brave.
 
#11
Sorry but grenade + shooting a man within the hour is in the face of the enemy, forgetting everything else the VC just looks better!

If you aint got style, you aint got nothing!
 
#12
Total respect for a very brave man. May he come home safe and sound.
 
#13
Whatever the protocol, a well-deserved award. That's Victor comic front page material. Nails!
 
#14
The VC GC debate has been on here before when this story first made the press earlier on this year

He dived onto the floor, rolled over and used his backpack - containing a 66mm rocket, a large lithium battery and medical kit - to cover the lethal shrapnel fragments from the coming blast.
My bold highlights how nails he is that could have gone off aswell

Just hope he dudnt get billed for any kit that was damaged

Well done for a Reservist
 
#15
BuckFelize said:
Whatever the protocol, a well-deserved award. That's Victor comic front page material. Nails!
Or front page of a Commando comic! Well done Royal! Bit harsh he's not getting a VC if you ask me!
 

OldSnowy

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#16
GC = VC. That's the truth, and if people are too ignorant to realise this then let them do a bit of research. It's not too difficult.

Meanwhile, LCpl Croucher is a Reservist - extra kudos to him for that, maybe it will reduce some of the carping we still see about the TA and RMR. Bloody well done the Booties, especially the Royal Marines Reserve :)
 
#17
So booby traps and being in a contact a short time later is not good enough to count as 'in the presence of the enemy'??
 
#18
Well done that man. I don't think anyone doubted at the time he would get the top award, technicalities made it a GC and not a VC. As Oldsnowy has said they are equal even if perception sees the VC as higher. Either way what a fcuking guy, and reservist be damned, he is one brave soldier, end of.
 
#19
1) Yes, the Telegraph will have broken an embargo. Disgusting behaviour, worthy of the wretches at the Sun rather than a once decent broadsheet which forgets how much what remains of its reputation rests on the perceptions of people who recognise that there are right ways of doing things and wrong ways of doing things.

2) Half the problem with this ridiculous idea that the GC is somehow inferior to the VC is, dare I say it, the ignorance of the Armed Forces themselves. Until such time as people in uniform are able to get it into their heads that the GC is a) every bit as significant as the VC, and b) NOT a "civvy" award, then what hope of Joe Public recognising the monumental courage that is required to win it?

Anyway, if confirmed, well done indeed.
 
#20
I had assumed he was wearing/ carrying his bergan when he decided to jump on the grenade - I see from pictures in the press that it was, in fact, only his daysack!

Get that man a wheelbarrow - he needs it to carry them around in.
 

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