Royal Australian Navy Submarines to go Nuclear

I’ll be honest - you couldn’t pay me enough to serve in the RAN. There’s a very good reason why they’re short of experienced Senior Rates and mid-seniority Officers…
To be fair, some of the very best officers I have worked for (in the purple environment) were RAN. But also one or two of the worst as well. One of the worst was a submariner. It was an absolute pleasure to work for my last RAN boss, we were instinctively on the same page. I was an Army WO1, she was a LCDR.

In my last posting I had three CPOs working for me; one was a star and got commissioned (later, after being promoted to WO) and the other two were on psych drugs, the details of which I was not allowed to know. Many POs and LSs were brilliant also, although we lost a lot of very good people at their six year point.

All of that was in a fairly specialised area though.
 
Saint Jacinda of Arden has a reputation to maintain, dont'cha know. Darling of the progressive classes.


Not while St Justin of Trudeau is in the chair. There's also the minor issue of contiguous waters to the US which scuppered the idea the last time it was floated in the late 80s.

In any case the Kiwis have had this policy since, what, the late 70s?
 

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One French commentator compared the decision to the loss at Trafalgar. A deadly blow to French/US/Aussie relations! Macron is crying and is being comforted by his Mum, sorry wife.
 
Now i don't pretend to be knowledgeable about current affairs and geopolitics etc.

But... i fail to see how this is in the UK interest being part of this pact? Money for UK industry with respect to participating in design, build, training of the submarines i can see. But that is a very small outcome vs trade with China.

Oz procuring 12 Nuclear subs actually means them buying 1.5 as they wont actually have the resource or funding for 12 (The UK only has funding for 6 attack?). Which possibly means as mentioned above, the US basing subs in Oz.

I'm not sure what benefit the UK will get here. Why does the UK need to help the US be world sea police? Why does the UK need to antagonise the Chinese?

I personally think we should play both sides for us only. The South China seas issue is a for the local countries to deal with, and maybe with US assistance by request.

Nothing to do with the UK. We should focus on more business with the Chinese, US and Oz?
I'm sure the UK comes off worse financially with these things. Maybe the great EU would like to get involved instead? As an independent nation, the UK should remain impartial and sell everyone else the tools (thinking Lend lease but for UK...!).

Oz is family.
 
Sell Astute frame and reactors and US weapons systems, jobs for Scotland (you're welcome Nicola)......and basis for a broader 3-eyes expansion.
Talk yesterday that they might have been getting a few US Virginia class subs to tide them over.

Surely it would take donkeys years to get upto a competent level at running an effective nuclear fleet?
 

4(T)

LE
Is that where we are - conflict with China is a case of when, not if?


I think it is absolutely inevitable, given China's trajectory and posture. I think Xi's move to make himself tyrant-for-life will bring forward the likelihood of military confrontation somewhere - he's going to want to make his mark in history and cement his growing personality cult. The "Cultural Revolution Mk2" thats currently occurring might be seen as an indication that there is a shortening timeline in place.

I expect that we will soon see provocations pitched at a level designed to embarrass the western powers, and that the maritime environment might be a suitable place to do this. A typical scenario might be the use of a proxy, such as perhaps sailing the "civilian" fishing fleet into the path of western naval units operating in the SCS and precipitating an accident.
 
One French commentator compared the decision to the loss at Trafalgar. A deadly blow to French/US/Aussie relations! Macron is crying and is being comforted by his Mum, sorry wife.

Ours En Peluche! Au coin dans cinq minutes, s'il vous plait!

 
Ours En Peluche! Au coin dans cinq minutes, s'il vous plait!

I gave this some serious thought this morning whilst I was in trap one. A French Australian submarine was never going to work, the French submarine must have a white flag in case of potential confrontation with the opposition. This is the core of the problem, the Australians as anyone who follows cricket, which incidentally excludes the whole French nation, do not understand the colour white, For hundreds of years Australian whites have been creme, off white, bone, beige, but not white. This was never going to work.
 
Another excuse for VDL to double down. Onward Europe...
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France Claims AUKUS Alliance Shows Need for "European Strategic Autonomy"
 
The plan to take the French hull, rip out the ketle and put in diesel / electric was a nightmare to start with, any decent engineer (apart from the ones who are being paid to make the modifications) would have gone "You what?" at that decision. I have several ex-colleagues who went to work for Naval Group and while the moeny is good there are some strange cultural politics at play which means it is hard to get things done. The french requirement for hour long lunchbreaks and being up to 15 minutes late for meetings does not generally fit in well.

I hope they go the Astute path, but either way there will need to be jobs in Adelaide because the French made a big thing about that with very little to show for it to date.

As for NZ, well who really cares...

Now, does anyone want to buy an Aussie / French dictionary....?
 
Ours En Peluche! Au coin dans cinq minutes, s'il vous plait!


Teddys gone a lot further than the corner

"This shows how the US treats its allies' -( Edit - This is translated elsewhere as you dont treat allies like this )
A grand deception
This is a real stab in the back, Bidens just like Trump

Its definatly being played for all its worth as - US forced Oz to abandon its deal for an excellent boat We Wuz robbed
 
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Teddys gone a lot further than the corner

He'd have gone a lot further if I could've remembered more of my A-level French. '

"Teddy's gone for a beer and a curry" would've just been a bit, well, niche in terms of French-baiting I felt, so I had to constrain his geographical reach...
 
I think it is absolutely inevitable, given China's trajectory and posture. I think Xi's move to make himself tyrant-for-life will bring forward the likelihood of military confrontation somewhere - he's going to want to make his mark in history and cement his growing personality cult. The "Cultural Revolution Mk2" thats currently occurring might be seen as an indication that there is a shortening timeline in place.

I expect that we will soon see provocations pitched at a level designed to embarrass the western powers, and that the maritime environment might be a suitable place to do this. A typical scenario might be the use of a proxy, such as perhaps sailing the "civilian" fishing fleet into the path of western naval units operating in the SCS and precipitating an accident.
Thank you. That's my sense too; it is helpful to have another's view of the situation. China seems more efficient and arguably more determined than the USSR managed to be.
 

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