Royal Australian Navy Submarines to go Nuclear

French int services are actually quite good, certainly in francophone and Arabic speaking countries - places they sell arms to.
Not quite the reach we enjoy through 5 eyes, but good nonetheless. Allegedly.
 
The French over-reaction continues:
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Yokel

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Unfortunately not there are thicker than her in parliament down under. Sarah Hanson Young for one. In an enquiry into stopping the boats she was convinced “sea patrol” a drama with a very well known actress down under in the lead role was actually a doco and started referring to it as fact in parliament

I expect that the SNP will start doing that with Vigil...
 
I haven't yet had time to catch up with the thread, so sorry if this is a re-post. From todays Telegraph:

'Emmanuel Macron in ‘dark rage’ as French media react to Boris Johnson’s ‘first victory for global Britain​


Dubbing Britain’s part in the Australia submarine deal "Johnson’s first victory for Global Britain”, conservative daily Le Figaro was the exception in the French press on Thursday as it pored over the ramifications of the phone call between Emmanuel Macron and Joe Biden.

The word “apaisement” – a “false friend” that translates as “soothing” rather than appeasement – was in many headlines to describe the thaw in France-US relations after a week of Gallic fury at losing the submarine "deal of the century".

“Game over or mere respite?,” asked Le Monde in its morning piece, which said President Macron clearly hoped the 30-minute dialogue would help “kickstart his European agenda” – namely a push for greater EU defence and strategic autonomy in the run-up to presidential elections next April.

While it may have provided a thaw, it said, the Macron-Biden call is unlikely to draw the French president into breaking his self-imposed silence since the “major diplomatic crisis” erupted last Wednesday.

Despite howls from rivals that losing the contract of the century is further proof of “France’s decline on the global geopolitical stage,” Le Monde said Mr Macron, who in truth was in a “dark rage” over the affair, “will likely remain mute, claiming thus to embody a ‘responsible’ head of state who is not governed by his emotions”.

As to what Mr Macron gained from the call, the jury is out, said several papers, about Mr Biden’s recognition of the “importance of a stronger and more capable European defence” as a complement to Nato.

Le Figaro wrote that if only for “lancing this boil”, the call “was already important”.

“If these proposals are put into place, Emmanuel Macron, who has made developing European defence the cornerstone of his international policy, will come out of this ahead,” it said.

More circumspect, Le Monde said he faced an uphill struggle convincing “numerous” EU countries, particularly in central Europe, “used to living under the American umbrella”.

Le Parisien, which ran the headline: "A phone call, and now what?", cited a unnamed minister as conceding that French pique had reached its limits.

"Frankly, bar getting cross, what can France do in this affair? Nothing. Our levers are very weak."

Contrary to the stance taken by Le Figaro, a member of the minister's LREM party told the paper: "It's not good for his image as head of state and his ability to get his way. It's not good for Europe. It's a diplomatic problem and yes it's a political problem".

Overall, the damage of the sub fiasco to his popularity and re-election hopes may not be great, it added, particularly as the economic fallout from the lost naval contract “appears, for now, to be limited”.

French sub builders Naval Group had not spent much when the contract, which only represented 10 per cent of its overall business, was cancelled and it will be asking for compensation “in the coming weeks”, its boss told Le Figaro.

“All the lights were green” when Australia pulled the plug in “unprecedentedly brutal fashion” at 1.30pm last Wednesday via a conference call, Pierre Eric Pommelet told the paper. “All the conditions were in place for the programme to go to the next stage” that morning.

He insisted the company would be sending its bill for “costs already committed” and extra to dismantle infrastructure in place “in the coming weeks” and intended to ensure its contractual rights were respected “to the letter”.

Left-leaning Libération noted that there was a symbolic disconnect in media coverage “as wide as the time difference” between gushing French reports and the small play the Biden-Macron call received in the US, where Haitian migrants and a Covid summit took precedence.

As for Boris Johnson, Le Figaro said French fury over Britain gazumping it in the sub contract had cast a “chill” that “is serious and could leave marks”.

“The coming weeks will tell whether French anger will ‘trickle down’ as well onto Brexit negotiations,” it said.

“France, often assigned the role of bad cop in the divorce saga with the EU, may not be inclined to leniency in upcoming talks," it warned.

“Trust, already fragile, is no longer there."

Opposition rivals let rip against Mr Macron in the media on Thursday, with sovereignist Nicolas Dupond-Aignan writing on Twitter: "Doormat leader who prefers to align himself with foreign interests than to defend the Nation".

Socialist Arnaud Montebourg, told France Info: "France can't be the little boy on the luggage rack of the United States and who gets thrown into a ditch when he is longer needed."

"One cannot sit idly by and we must make the Americans pay the political price of this betrayal."
 
Published by: James Knuckey, FORCES NET, on 23 September 2021.

HMS Audacious: Navy's New Astute-Class Attack Submarine Commissioned

The 97-metre nuclear-powered attack submarine is the Royal Navy's fourth Astute-class boat and is now fully operational.

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File photo of HMS Audacious, the fourth of the Royal Navy's Astute-class submarines (PIcture: MOD).

The Royal Navy's newest attack submarine HMS Audacious has been formally commissioned into the fleet during a ceremony at Clyde naval base.

Members of Audacious' company and personnel from the Submarine Flotilla were joined at the Faslane ceremony by the Astute-class nuclear-powered submarine's sponsor Lady Elizabeth Jones.

It marked the completion of extensive tests and sea trials for the 97-metre vessel with Audacious now ready for global operations.

Follow link for rest of the article . . .

 

diverman

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riksavage

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French int services are actually quite good, certainly in francophone and Arabic speaking countries - places they sell arms to.
Not quite the reach we enjoy through 5 eyes, but good nonetheless. Allegedly.
What's the French equivalent to GCHQ (not to be confused with MI5/6)?
 

Themanwho

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On ROPS
On ROPs
The Australians were right to dump the French.

while life cost for 12 SSK’s - $AU 240 Billion

thats more than the whole life cost of our Dreadnought SSBNs, their warheads and missiles.
 

Themanwho

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The Australians were right to dump the French.

while life cost for 12 SSK’s - $AU 240 Billion

thats more than the whole life cost of our Dreadnought SSBNs, their warheads and missiles.
Wow!

@meerkatz @PhotEx has really been doing his "research":
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Yokel

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Possibly with questionable quality, if the majority of their goods are anything to go by.

Not the most soothing fact to be wondering about when doing a deep dive.
Totalitarian systems are note compatible with things like quality or safety - which is why the West (ie everyone other than the PRC) need to look at supply chains. It also the reason that many manufacturing activities are being 'reshored'.
 

bob231

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Totalitarian systems are note compatible with things like quality or safety - which is why the West (ie everyone other than the PRC) need to look at supply chains. It also the reason that many manufacturing activities are being 'reshored'.
This just isn't true. The Chinese are perfectly capable of building to quality and consistently if asked to do so and held to account.

They won't necessarily do it if you don't ask them, mind you. And it costs.
 
This just isn't true. The Chinese are perfectly capable of building to quality and consistently if asked to do so and held to account.

They won't necessarily do it if you don't ask them, mind you. And it costs.
You have to watch the buggers subsituiting materials

The substitute may well perform as well as the specified one - but it isnt and thus isnt certified and the time to realise theyve done this isnt after its fitted to 30 or 40 aircraft - especially when its a sructural part.

Theyve pulled that stunt on Airbus
 
What's the French equivalent to GCHQ (not to be confused with MI5/6)?

Not sure there is a direct equivalent - there are separate entities for external and internal affairs. DGSE would face external threats/interests, operate abroad , and may well cover roles we'd use GCHQ for.
 

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