Route to being a one pip wonder

#1
Good day to you all.
To set the scene of my predicament for you: I am a 30 year old TA PO, a trained soldier of 2 years, sent on TAB; passed with cat 1, passed Mod 2 (dispite my appalling fitness), now have my TAMB infront of me (18th-21st of November). RMAS is set for next September, with Module 3 starting for me in Feburary.

I'm bricking it. I really am. I can't describe the fear of failing my TAMB, cocking RMAS, and all that. On top of that, now I have been tracked for Officer, I have missed out on trade training, and the promotions that would have brought. People I joined with are now lance jacks. The upshot of that is if it all goes pete tong, and all this expectation of success has been heaped upon me, I see no other option but to leave the TA. Not something I want to do.

So how can you help dear Arrse members? Information to soothe my tortured mind, and lay my fears to rest. I would like to know what I'm letting myself in for.

The TAMB: I am so very nervous about this. What can I expect do:

What Physical tests are there? What are the opening tasks and opening race? what is the closing race and what tips are there for the command tasks? Anyone have any advice for the assault course?

RMAS: Fitness. I am not in great shape, and know I will fail in my current form. I need to know what level to aim at. I know this seems a short cut, surely I should train until my little heart cannot take any more, and I will, but aside from the CFT and BPFA (which are only starting points), what else can I expect at sandhurst? How many days are spent out in the field, what lessons are given and what seems to be pass criteria?

On an aside, what motives have driven people to become Officers? I am not clear as to my motives. I know I want to provide good leadership for the squadron, I get on well with the NCO's and men, and thankfully I'm like by the NCO's as a sig. The squadron is desparate for subbies, and if I don't pass I'll have the stigma of "didn't try hard enough" hanging over me. It's all so complicated.

Thanks for any help recieved.
 
#2
My advice to you is simple, It's not your physical fitness you have worries with NOW, it's your obvious mental state! if your s*itting your pants, sort your life and get your HEAD in the game. Your training to be a leader of men in arguably the finest Army in the world! take control of your life and just F*CKING DO IT!
Seriously I think your asking the right questions, you've identified your weakness nows the time to get on top of it and defeat it, the good old Tommy spirit, good luck and god speed.


ps sorry if I sound a little harsh but I want to be sure that in 5 years or so time when my kids being led into war/peace support Ops the Officers can cut the mustard, so he dont come home like his old man, a bitter twisted old basket :)

Faugh-A-Ballagh
 
#3
Sirvile said:
RMAS: Fitness. I am not in great shape, and know I will fail in my current form.
BPFA green

Sirvile said:
Didn't try hard enough
Better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all....

msr
 
#4
Sirvile said:
Fitness. I am not in great shape, and know I will fail in my current form.
Fitness is up to you and you alone. If you aim to "just pass" you are not worth the Commission, you must aim -and train - to be right at the front of the pack. Most embarrassing moment as a DS is to hear a PO come in just inside the cutoff time on the BPFA run and say they're chuffed to have passed.

However, sort your fitness out and the rest will fall into place no problem. Everything Officer wise other than fitness you either have already or are of sufficient aptitude for it to be trained into you. Or you don't and we won't be able to but those are black & whites - you either can or you can't, no middle ground! So realistically, nothing to be worried about at TAMB - if being an Officer is not for you then you are as well finding out now.

I am a bit confused as to why you have taken so long to apply for Westbury - you say you have passed Module 2 (which cannot have taken you any less than 6 months) and you say you passed despite your appalling level of fitness (so I know you didn't do mine!). And you are concerned that those you joined with are already getting promotions (2 years?). Quite a bit in there that isn't quite adding up to me.

PM me if you need clarification on specifics that you can't post publicly.
 
#5
indeed FAB, thanks for the very to the point advice... but the same problems remain, the unknown quantities of the TAMB and RMAS. Now I can get my head round the academics of it all, that's not the issue, given time to learn. If I know what challenges face me I can prepare myself. Physically I know I have a lot of work to do, but how much? BPFA green may not be enough for Sandhurst. Is it true they issue all your kit to you there, so I can't use my gucci kit I have amassed over the years?
 
#6
Sirville,

PM abacus, as you have a number of issues which he can help you with.

msr
 

NAP6W

Old-Salt
#8
RMAS is now a four week course, not three. It is split into two, two week sections, but I know not what time seperation there is between them. Abacus probably knows, so PM him.
 
#9
Sirville, got your pm - reply sent. Well done on Mod 2 but WORK ON THE FITNESS (oops, sorry, was I shouting again :lol:)

NAP6W - still a 3 week course (Technically 1 week Mod 4A and 2 weeks Mod 4B). Without giving more away about your unit than your avatar and location does already watch that you are not getting confused with info about the PQO and LE courses.
 
#10
Just for my two pennies!

Everybody bangs on about fitness, but they are right, but not for embarrasing the DS or anything like that.
Having been at it from the slightly larger than the average bear" if you can get your fitness sorted out, its something less to worry about. A lot of RMAS becomes "easier" when you a re fitter because you should be able to cope witht he stress easier. It is also one of the main things you can do to prepare yourself as everything else shold happen when your there. Also when you knackered fromt he running etc, you will recover quicker and thus be able to take more in and learn more!

Take it from someone who wasn't as fit as they should have been when they turned up for the big one (do to med reasons, but thats another story) if you can get fit, do it, it will make you life so much easier. The army is all about fitness, no matter what core your in, its the lifestyle!!!!!!

OS
 
#11
Sirvile said:
Good day to you all.
To set the scene of my predicament for you: I am a 30 year old TA PO, a trained soldier of 2 years, sent on TAB; passed with cat 1, passed Mod 2 (dispite my appalling fitness), now have my TAMB infront of me (18th-21st of November). RMAS is set for next September, with Module 3 starting for me in Feburary.

I'm bricking it. I really am. I can't describe the fear of failing my TAMB, cocking RMAS, and all that. On top of that, now I have been tracked for Officer, I have missed out on trade training, and the promotions that would have brought. People I joined with are now lance jacks. The upshot of that is if it all goes pete tong, and all this expectation of success has been heaped upon me, I see no other option but to leave the TA. Not something I want to do.

So how can you help dear Arrse members? Information to soothe my tortured mind, and lay my fears to rest. I would like to know what I'm letting myself in for.

The TAMB: I am so very nervous about this. What can I expect do:

What Physical tests are there? What are the opening tasks and opening race? what is the closing race and what tips are there for the command tasks? Anyone have any advice for the assault course?

RMAS: Fitness. I am not in great shape, and know I will fail in my current form. I need to know what level to aim at. I know this seems a short cut, surely I should train until my little heart cannot take any more, and I will, but aside from the CFT and BPFA (which are only starting points), what else can I expect at sandhurst? How many days are spent out in the field, what lessons are given and what seems to be pass criteria?

On an aside, what motives have driven people to become Officers? I am not clear as to my motives. I know I want to provide good leadership for the squadron, I get on well with the NCO's and men, and thankfully I'm like by the NCO's as a sig. The squadron is desparate for subbies, and if I don't pass I'll have the stigma of "didn't try hard enough" hanging over me. It's all so complicated.

Thanks for any help recieved.

Surely this is a "waah"?
 
#13
Apologies Abacus - just what I was told last Wednesday when I attended Regiment HQ to talk to a few guys that have recently been through what I am about to. As with all these things, you don't get told by officialdom so the rumour mill takes over. I took it as read that a guy who was from the same regular regiment as me, who went through this not more than a few months ago.
 
#14
This will be resolved off-line. However, before it enters TAPO folklore:

URBAN MYTH

You can pass Module 2 with a 11.40 run.

FACT

Sirvile has NOT passed Module 2 but has passed PRACTAC1, MWT2 and Skill at Arms.
 
#15
abacus said:
Nope - but you're very well informed in our ways for someone with 2 posts to his name.
Indeed. Obviously length of Arrse membership directly equates to length and breadth of military service and experience. I stand humbly put in my place Sir.
 
#16
anyone who wants the commission enough and is cut out for it, will get the blasted thing. ( it is a great thing, but im in pain because of it right now, so i'm not in a fuzzy mood.)

BPFA at sandhurst time should be sub 9:30. if its not, then the DS will think you not trying hard enough and have'nt trained enough. therefore, you've got an uphill struggle to convince them that you are worth the commission.

as a wise man once said regarding fitness at sandhurst... "no matter what your fitness level, you need to be fitter"
 
#17
Get your head down, dig in and do your best. Just make sure it really is your best.

Get as fit as you can before you go, as others have said, it will make life easier. Once you get to the start of the course, stop worrying about fitness because there is nothing more you can do at that point.

At the end of the day, if you go there thinking you are beaten already, you are less likely to pass.

In case you don't pass for any reason, don't give up. You can go again unless you are really unfortunate.

If you can't face your mates, change units and soldier on.

If it's any comfort, of my intake of about 120 souls, 100 or so passed first go, a few were back-squadded due to injury, and only a couple left never to be seen again. I was one of the 30 who got a "shape up or fcuk off" half way through. That's when I got my head down, stuck to it and passed, despite being a fattie.

Good luck.

Fluffy
 
#18
Get a grip now. Sort your fitness out - not difficult, just a little application of self discipline. Half hour runs every day, with lots of sprinting up hills. Pressups every morning and evening. You need to really WANT this - you have the ability, but its not enough without the committment to phyzz. If you are training to be a leader, you should be at the front - simple really. Good luck.

A Sarnian
 
#19
Sirvil

Without wishing to be too harsh on an individual who has come seeking advise I would suggest that you need to closely examine your motivations.

Firstly as far as fitness is concerned you should not be thinking in terms of what fitness you need to simply pass Sandhurst but of the example that you are setting to your future soldiers. There are few things worse than a young officer who is unfit and it is one of the easiest way to lose the respect of those around you. As an example remember that on a CFT as an officer it is not just a matter of head down and get on with it but of being able to move up and down the line motivating your soldiers and setting the example.

Secondly you need a desire to command and to on some level enjoy being put under pressure, experience can help you now how to react more effectively in stressful situations, but there are always going to be times when the pressure is on and all eyes are turned on you. Passing out of Sandhurst is only the beginning of the constant observation that as a commander you are under as all those around you form judgements as to your abilities.

I am not trying to dissuade you but you might want to sit down and look at whether you really do have the desire to command and to be setting the example for all those under your command.
 

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