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Thats not really the point is it? The Armed force due hating gays, forced one out of his job and he topped himself.

But outrage!!! The Muslims dont like gays
You're getting a little bit excitable, did the Armed forces hate gays, or were they using out of date views on gays to frame and enforce regulations against them.
I don't know why you think I am outraged that Muslims don't like gays, I have clearly stated that I believe many Muslims are not of that opinion. Perhaps you missed it due to flecks of spittle running down your screen?
 
Naturally if it was prior to the ban you reported him?
Off course not, just like I didn't report some other infractions, some of which I thought were less than acceptable, unlike being attracted to the same gender of human being. I have said this already, have you been in a car crash recently or something? Short term memory loss like that can be a symptom of a treatable condition or an underlying injury.
 
Off course not, just like I didn't report some other infractions, some of which I thought were less than acceptable, unlike being attracted to the same gender of human being. I have said this already, have you been in a car crash recently or something? Short term memory loss like that can be a symptom of a treatable condition or an underlying injury.

You didn't report something that left the individual open to blackmail (as well as being against military law)
Some fine values and standards, but let's criticise the Muslims for theirs
 
You're getting a little bit excitable, did the Armed forces hate gays, or were they using out of date views on gays to frame and enforce regulations against them.
I don't know why you think I am outraged that Muslims don't like gays, I have clearly stated that I believe many Muslims are not of that opinion. Perhaps you missed it due to flecks of spittle running down your screen?
Judging by some of the screen shots put up on ARRSE before, I'd say hate.

If you aren't comment on Muslims and poofs why are you commenting?
 
You didn't report something that left the individual open to blackmail (as well as being against military law)
Some fine values and standards, but let's criticise the Muslims for theirs
I reckon his character was strong enough to deal with any blackmail attempt as he saw fit, by reporting himself if the situation arose, I didn't particularly like the guy, but I thought that at least of him.

Where have I criticised the Muslims?
 
Judging by some of the screen shots put up on ARRSE before, I'd say hate.

If you aren't comment on Muslims and poofs why are you commenting?
So the screen shots you saw represented the army? Well that's an opinion I suppose.
 
So the screen shots you saw represented the army? Well that's an opinion I suppose.
The screen shots were opinions from serving (at the time) officers.
They are on ARRSE I'll see if I can find them.
 
I reckon his character was strong enough to deal with any blackmail attempt as he saw fit, by reporting himself if the situation arose, I didn't particularly like the guy, but I thought that at least of him.

Where have I criticised the Muslims?

He had a strong enough character to stand losing his job and possibly his wider family?

Did you tell your juniors not to report drug use, bullying or any other crime they thought wasn't a big deal.

Why are you on a Muslim bashing thread?
 
He had a strong enough character to stand losing his job and possibly his wider family?

Did you tell your juniors not to report drug use, bullying or any other crime they thought wasn't a big deal.

Why are you on a Muslim bashing thread?
I was a siggy, I didn't have juniors. I think rooting out organised gangs of stoat the baws in any community isn't the same as Muslim bashing. It just happens that in a section of the community under discussion stoat the baws are more prevallent, and victim blaming is rife too. Perhaps you don't think that should be addressed?
 
Up until just now I only had one person on ignore.

Now it's 2.
 
I was a siggy, I didn't have juniors. I think rooting out organised gangs of stoat the baws in any community isn't the same as Muslim bashing. It just happens that in a section of the community under discussion stoat the baws are more prevallent, and victim blaming is rife too. Perhaps you don't think that should be addressed?
Maybe I agree with discrimination against gays, taking a lead from you, surely I should decide what laws are worthy or not?
 

anglo

LE
Principles arent worth anything are they when you stand to benefit in other ways.

If the entire army had quit, then the hierarchy might have allowed gays to serve sooner, but they didnt and so the discrimination against gays continued.
I take it, that when you served the law against being gay had all ready been abolished,
If the law had still been in place, would you have joined up?
 
I take it, that when you served the law against being gay had all ready been abolished,
If the law had still been in place, would you have joined up?
I joined when the ban was in place, because I didn't give a **** about gays being banned from serving.
Hope that clarifies things for you.
 
Just out of interest (and I'm loathe to get into any form or discussion with you, but), when was the last time a person was killed in this country for being gay by the church or by the Armed Forces?
I certainly recall a suicide in 1993 or 1994 of a young officer at RAF Shawbury, suspended for being Gay, having been 'outed' by a P&SS 'Town Team' at a gay club in Birmingham. I had to supervise him clearing out of his room in the Mess and escort him to the gates, and then take his RAF1250 from him. He sobbed throughout and unless you have gone through flying training, I don't think people can understand the all-consuming nature of it and the expectations that there are. His shame was being denied the opportunity to serve as a RAF helicopter pilot, only a couple of weeks before his graduation. Clearly the forces didn't kill him, but the policies drove him to suicide. His colleagues and family knew of his orientation; possibly one of the saddest things I saw was the inconsolable grief of the parents and his boyfriend at the funeral. As a YO at the time, I was subsequently dragged in to see the CFI, along with a couple of his course-mates, and given extra duties for going to the 'poofter's funeral' in uniform. Did I think what happened to him was wrong? Yes. Did I raise objections to the policy or resign in protest? No. If I had would it have done any good? No. Does this matter rest uneasily on my conscience almost 30 years later? Yes.
 
(Unless you have gone through flying training, I don't think people can understand the all-consuming nature of it and the expectations there are).
Not only have I undergone flying training, I've taught at Shawbury. To say I'm un-surprised is an understatement, the attitude of many crabs I met there was pretty abhorrent, and that across many subjects. A more arrogant selection of tossers I have rarely met.

Clearly the forces didn't kill him, but the policies drove him to suicide. His colleagues and family knew of his orientation; possibly one of the saddest things I saw was the inconsolable grief of the parents and his boyfriend at the funeral. As a YO at the time, I was subsequently dragged in to see the CFI, along with a couple of his course-mates, and given extra duties for going to the 'poofter's funeral' in uniform. Did I think what happened to him was wrong? Yes. Did I raise objections to the policy or resign in protest? No. If I had would it have done any good? No. Does this matter rest uneasily on my conscience almost 30 years later? Yes.
It sounds like a very sad episode.

However, my point was more in regard to individuals singling out gay servicemen/women for abuse. I've served in a teeth arm and a combat support arm and I have never come across a case of a gay soldier coming in for any form of verbal or physical abuse in the 30+ years I served. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I personally never witnessed it, and I've known a number of gay soldiers in all that time, from private rank up to major. There has been some robust mickey-taking from very young/immature/unworldly soldiers, but both sides gave as good as they got, but no worse than English v Jock v Paddy v Taff.
 
Why do I include the forces? Because anyone serving over 20 years ago is a bit of hypocrite to pretend they are outraged over the Muslims views on gays.
really; you are a bit cossetted aren't you? People have dislikes of others for any number of reasons, why should Homosexuals be any different. I mean for all I know some of the people who hated Germans- cos their dad's fought them, not because they themselves and they may have been Gay or Jewish is that right too? You talk of hypocrisy.. they're all at it somewhere along the line.
 
Not only have I undergone flying training, I've taught at Shawbury. To say I'm un-surprised is an understatement, the attitude of many crabs I met there was pretty abhorrent, and that across many subjects. A more arrogant selection of tossers I have rarely met.


It sounds like a very sad episode.

However, my point was more in regard to individuals singling out gay servicemen/women for abuse. I've served in a teeth arm and a combat support arm and I have never come across a case of a gay soldier coming in for any form of verbal or physical abuse in the 30+ years I served. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I personally never witnessed it, and I've known a number of gay soldiers in all that time, from private rank up to major. There has been some robust mickey-taking from very young/immature/unworldly soldiers, but both sides gave as good as they got, but no worse than English v Jock v Paddy v Taff.
The problem came from a policy to expel gays from the services until pretty recent times. As I said, his family, friends and colleagues knew, and I don't recall any banter at the time (I was permanent staff, not a student). The CFI - a nasty, belligerent Rhodesian - could have exercised discretion yet he was pejorative and vindictive, ordering officers not to attend the funeral (hence extra duties all round).
 

Slime

LE
I'll make that a bit more accurate...
There are children of same gender couples where the child is raised by two individuals, only one of whom may be the actual biological parent. The other individual, acts in the role of parent, but has no biological relationship to the child.

You raise an excellent point there, as it means the ‘no biological relationship’ person you mention would be the same as the multiple millions of ‘parents’ in the history of the world who had no biological connection with ‘their children’.

If you are aware of a popular book read by Christians it shows the idea (and response to) this issue is nothing knew :)
 

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