Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 kids exploited

Another article below from Jack Straw from 2011

White girls seen as 'easy meat' by Pakistani rapists, says Jack Straw

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Row erupts after former home secretary says grooming for sexual abuse is a problem among some Pakistani men
David Batty and agencies
Sat 8 Jan 2011 15.52 GMTFirst published on Sat 8 Jan 2011 15.52 GMT



Jack Straw said British Pakistans must face up to grooming of white girls by Pakistani men


Jack Straw said the British Pakistani community must face up to 'a number of Pakistani heritage men thinking it is OK to target white girls' for sexual abuse. Photograph: Dave Thompson/PA
The former home secretary Jack Straw has been accused of stereotyping Pakistani men in Britain after he accused some of them as regarding white girls as "easy meat" for sexual abuse.
The Blackburn MP spoke out after two Asian men who raped and sexually assaulted girls in Derby were given indefinite jail terms.
Straw said there was a "specific problem" in some areas of the country where Pakistani men "target vulnerable young white girls".

His comments were criticised by Keith Vaz, chairman of the Commons home affairs select committee, who said it was wrong to "stereotype a whole community".

Yesterday Mohammed Liaqat, 28, and Abid Saddique, 27, were jailed at Nottingham crown court after being found guilty at a trial in November of charges including rape.
The judge in the case said he did not believe the crimes were "racially aggravated", adding that the race of the victims and their abusers was "coincidental".

Speaking on the BBC's Newsnight programme yesterday, Straw said: "Pakistanis, let's be clear, are not the only people who commit sexual offences, and overwhelmingly the sex offenders' wings of prisons are full of white sex offenders.
"But there is a specific problem which involves Pakistani heritage men ... who target vulnerable young white girls.

"We need to get the Pakistani community to think much more clearly about why this is going on and to be more open about the problems that are leading to a number of Pakistani heritage men thinking it is OK to target white girls in this way."

Straw called on the British Pakistani community to be "more open" about the issue. "These young men are in a western society, in any event, they act like any other young men, they're fizzing and popping with testosterone, they want some outlet for that, but Pakistani heritage girls are off-limits and they are expected to marry a Pakistani girl from Pakistan, typically," he said.
"So they then seek other avenues and they see these young women, white girls who are vulnerable, some of them in care ... who they think are easy meat.
"And because they're vulnerable they ply them with gifts, they give them drugs, and then of course they're trapped."

Vaz, the Labour MP for Leicester East, told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme: "I disagree with Jack Straw ... I don't think you can stereotype an entire community. What you can do is look at the facts of these national cases, give it to an agency, make a proper investigation and see how we can deal with these networks of people who are involved in this horrendous crime.
"One can accept the evidence that is put before us about patterns of networks but to go that step further is pretty dangerous."
Vaz told Sky News: "I don't think we can make that jump necessarily to it being a cultural problem ... We want an investigation that has no fear or favour to any community. But it is important that we get this into context."

Saddique was jailed for at least 11 years while Liaqat will be locked up for at least eight years. The pair were the ringleaders of a gang that groomed and abused girls aged from 12 to 18.
The sentences were passed down a day after the prime minister, David Cameron, said "cultural sensitivities" should not hinder police action in such cases.
Six other men had already been sentenced for their part in the abuse, investigated in Operation Retriever, led by Derbyshire police.

The Barnardo's chief executive, Martin Narey, said the case was more about vulnerable children of all races who were at risk from abuse. Street grooming was "probably happening in most towns and cities" and was not confined to the Pakistani community.
"I certainly don't think this is a Pakistani thing. My staff would say that there is an over-representation of people from minority ethnic groups – Afghans, people from Arabic nations – but it's not just one nation," said Narey.

Retired detective chief superintendent Max McLean, who led a previous police investigation into sexual exploitation involving the grooming and trafficking of young girls in Leeds, questioned whether it was a cultural problem.
"I'm not suggesting, and I do not think anybody is, that it is a problem within a community," he told the Today programme. What I am saying is that, when you take a crime type – street grooming – and see that the vast majority of people convicted are from a particular community, then there appears something we should do about those offenders.
"But that is the very danger, that we say that all street groomers are Asian men. What we have found is that our investigations have led to convictions, generally speaking, for this type of crime.
"That is a slightly different thing and it is incumbent on the police and professionals to engage with communities where we identify those offenders to see if there are preventative opportunities."
Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of Muslim organisation the Ramadhan Foundation, condemned the crimes and called for the issue to be addressed without prejudice. "No community or faith ever sanctions these evil crimes and to suggest that this is somehow ingrained in the community is deeply offensive."
 
As ever, the excellent Nazir Afzal nails it:

"Their failures actually led to an increase in hate and racism because it gave ammunition to the far right. Worse though, they subjected hundreds of victims to harm because of their pathetic perception that race relations might be negatively impacted."


Contrast that with the absolute dog sh1t coverage in the Guardian by some churnalist. I can't be bothered to even find the link because it would waste your time to read it.
 
You can disagree as much as you like @ex_colonial but it’s still untrue to say that the Home Office produced a circular in 2008 telling police forces to not investigate grooming gangs, muslim rapists etc.
On the contrary there is a 2008 Home Office circular about police powers in child protection.

It is correct that racial concerns along the chain hindered investigations and the ability of social services and the police on the street, and failed to protect the vulnerable. But it was not an order from the top to cover it up and ignore it
 
As ever, the excellent Nazir Afzal nails it:

"Their failures actually led to an increase in hate and racism because it gave ammunition to the far right. Worse though, they subjected hundreds of victims to harm because of their pathetic perception that race relations might be negatively impacted."


Contrast that with the absolute dog sh1t coverage in the Guardian by some churnalist. I can't be bothered to even find the link because it would waste your time to read it.
Hardeep Singh had an article about this on Monday in The Spectator. He also mentions the broad brush term of "Asian" by the authorities, which aims to disguise the perps background, which makes dealing with the cause much more difficult and inadvertently panders to the far right extremists and their race hate.

It’s time to have an honest conversation about ‘Asian’ grooming gangs | Coffee House
 
Hardeep Singh had an article about this on Monday in The Spectator. He also mentions the broad brush term of "Asian" by the authorities, which aims to disguise the perps background, which makes dealing with the cause much more difficult and inadvertently panders to the far right extremists and their race hate.

It’s time to have an honest conversation about ‘Asian’ grooming gangs | Coffee House
It's been going on for years and never changed. Its rubbish. Even the BBC & the Guardian are still at it. That last Guardian article I read omitted pretty much everything that Afzal wrote.

The Guardian is misinformation.
 
Torygraph. A bit more damning

The grooming gang cover-up is Britain’s real racism scandal
21 JANUARY 2020 • 7:00PM
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Home Secretary Priti Patel must 'publish the report into the grooming gangs, and put a stop to this toxic epidemic once and for all'
Home Secretary Priti Patel must 'publish the report into the grooming gangs, and put a stop to this toxic epidemic once and for all'


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While Prince Harry was making a speech on Sunday night, Himself was in a London cab. The driver was incensed by reports suggesting the Duke and Duchess were abdicating because Meghan had been the victim of racist media coverage. “I didn’t even know she was black until I saw her mum at the wedding,” huffed the cabbie.
He spoke for millions of Britons who welcomed the beautiful American actress into our Royal family with open arms and had no concerns about her suitability. Well, not until she started writing cringeworthy mottos on bananas destined for sex workers, anyway.
On Question Time, when the actor Laurence Fox also dismissed the suggestion that Meghan had faced racism and said that, as countries go, we were really quite nice and non-racist, there was uproar in the ‘woke’ echo chamber of social media. The rest of the country simply nodded and said: “Too right, mate.”
An audience member (naturally, she turned out to be an academic and regular BBC contributor) then accused Fox of “white privilege”. That charge is supposed to intimidate its target into silence. Refreshingly, Fox refused to be cowed. He pointed out that nervousness surrounding the issue of racism meant that “things like the Manchester grooming scandal get ignored”.

How painfully true that was. In the very week that an excoriating 150-page report revealed that Greater Manchester Police (GMP) knew of grooming gangs sexually exploiting almost a hundred girls, some as young as 12, “in plain sight”, Question Time did not feature a single question on the topic.
The BBC was keen to indulge the notion that a cossetted multi-millionairess had been a victim of racism, while completely ignoring girls like Victoria Agoglia, who died after having her 15-year-old veins filled with heroin so she could be raped by dozens of “Asian” (Pakistani-heritage) men.
I ask you, which case is of greater national significance? A duchess who leaves the Royal family after 20 months because it’s “not working for me”, or the revelation that police officers turned a blind eye to scores of children being grotesquely violated because to arrest their tormentors might look like cultural insensitivity?

Not much “white privilege” for poor Victoria Agoglia, whose grandmother begged in vain for police and social services to help her. Nor for the 11-year-old in Oxford whose buttock was branded with the initial of her British-Pakistani “owner”. On the contrary. The girls being white, and their abusers being non-white, made it much less likely they would be protected.

At long last, we now have conclusive proof of that. After a five-year investigation, the Independent Office for Police Conduct has just upheld a complaint against a senior Rotherham officer who admitted that his force ignored the sexual abuse of girls by grooming gangs “for decades” because it was afraid of increasing “racial tensions”.
The copper, who was unable to be identified, told a missing child’s distraught father that grooming was “P----s----ing”, and admitted that “what with it being Asians, we can’t afford for this to be coming out”, because the town “would erupt”.
Keeping the lid on social unrest, not upsetting “the community”, that was the main thing. Young girls pimped, threatened, tortured? Why, they were just collateral damage in the greater project of multiculturalism.
After Victoria Agoglia died of an overdose administered by an older man in 2003, official denial became a lot harder – although that didn’t stop the coroner at Victoria’s inquest doing his best. He “recognised the multiple concerns”, but pointed out that the girl had a “propensity to provide sexual favours”. Remember that insensitive man was talking about a child who was supposedly in the care of Manchester City Council when she was coerced, before puberty, into prostitution.
Maggie Oliver, who was a detective on the Rochdale grooming case

Maggie Oliver, who was a detective on the Rochdale grooming case CREDIT: PAUL COOPER
GMP set up Operation Augusta to tackle “the sexual exploitation of a significant number of children in the care system by predominantly Asian men”. Police identified at least 57 child victims and up to 97 suspects. But Augusta was abruptly closed down after just over a year when police turned to less “sensitive” crimes. The report claims there was a lack of resources, but the amazing Maggie Oliver, the retired detective who blew the whistle, said that not only had GMP “deliberately” not investigated child rape, it had tried to get the official report suppressed.

You may have noticed that I find it extremely hard to write about the despicable behaviour – both by the perpetrators and by the people who were supposed to protect their young prey – without completely losing it. So, just to recap: 27 towns and cities so far where grooming gangs, made up of predominantly Pakistani-heritage males, have plied their foul trade.
Last year, the NSPCC identified 19,000 victims of gang abuse and admitted the true number is probably much higher. It is, without doubt, the biggest scandal this country has seen in my lifetime, yet still there is a terror on the part of officialdom of conducting the full public inquiry that is so clearly needed.
Back in December 2018, Sajid Javid, then home secretary, said that it was “wrong to ignore” the ethnicity of abusers. Born in Rochdale to a British-Pakistani family, Javid was ideally placed to insist that he wanted officials researching the causes of gang-based exploitation to “leave no stone unturned”.
As home secretary, Sajid Javid said it was “wrong to ignore” the ethnicity of abusers in grooming gangs

As home secretary, Sajid Javid said it was “wrong to ignore” the ethnicity of abusers in grooming gangs CREDIT: JEFF OVERS/BBC/PA
Even Javid, after he spoke out, was asked by a Muslim writer if he worried that his comments “may have fuelled hate crimes”. Thus do perpetrators continue to evade justice because exposing the hateful things men from that background have done to young girls might cause, yes, “hate crimes”. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Consider the fate of that Home Office report into grooming gangs commissioned by Javid. Now complete, officials are refusing to make it public. Why?
We are often told that this is a complex issue. I think it’s horribly simple, actually. As Shaista Gohir of the Muslim Women’s Network told Newsnight last week: “Pakistan is one of the worst countries in the world to be a woman.” If you import Pakistan’s misogynistic attitudes into parts of the UK and they run straight into vulnerable young white girls who look, to a certain type of man, like easy meat, then you have a recipe for sexual abuse.
Furthermore, if your authorities are afraid to confront and condemn those misogynistic attitudes for fear of appearing racist, then that sexual abuse can flourish on an industrial scale.
I agree with Maggie Oliver. After the scathing report into GMP was published, she demanded that criminal prosecutions be brought against those at the top of the police. Let the guilty men be named and shamed for leaving so many terrified girls at the mercy of their abusers. Meanwhile, hundreds of victims are suing seven councils and South Yorkshire Police for their part in the Rotherham scandal. Good for them.

But a scandal of this magnitude calls for remedy at the highest level. Priti Patel has got off to a terrific start, fierce and focused, as Home Secretary. I hope she will call on her considerable reserves of political courage, publish the report into the grooming gangs and announce a public inquiry to put a stop to this toxic epidemic once and for all.

Laurence Fox was right. We are a remarkably tolerant nation. If anything is going to fuel racism in the UK, it’s the attempt to brush these abhorrent offences under the carpet.
 
Torygraph. A bit more damning

The grooming gang cover-up is Britain’s real racism scandal
21 JANUARY 2020 • 7:00PM
Save

Home Secretary Priti Patel must 'publish the report into the grooming gangs, and put a stop to this toxic epidemic once and for all''publish the report into the grooming gangs, and put a stop to this toxic epidemic once and for all'
Home Secretary Priti Patel must 'publish the report into the grooming gangs, and put a stop to this toxic epidemic once and for all'
Here's why this Central American country should be your next big adventure
For action-craving travellers, Belize offers a thrill... Read more ›
Sponsored





While Prince Harry was making a speech on Sunday night, Himself was in a London cab. The driver was incensed by reports suggesting the Duke and Duchess were abdicating because Meghan had been the victim of racist media coverage. “I didn’t even know she was black until I saw her mum at the wedding,” huffed the cabbie.
He spoke for millions of Britons who welcomed the beautiful American actress into our Royal family with open arms and had no concerns about her suitability. Well, not until she started writing cringeworthy mottos on bananas destined for sex workers, anyway.
On Question Time, when the actor Laurence Fox also dismissed the suggestion that Meghan had faced racism and said that, as countries go, we were really quite nice and non-racist, there was uproar in the ‘woke’ echo chamber of social media. The rest of the country simply nodded and said: “Too right, mate.”
An audience member (naturally, she turned out to be an academic and regular BBC contributor) then accused Fox of “white privilege”. That charge is supposed to intimidate its target into silence. Refreshingly, Fox refused to be cowed. He pointed out that nervousness surrounding the issue of racism meant that “things like the Manchester grooming scandal get ignored”.

How painfully true that was. In the very week that an excoriating 150-page report revealed that Greater Manchester Police (GMP) knew of grooming gangs sexually exploiting almost a hundred girls, some as young as 12, “in plain sight”, Question Time did not feature a single question on the topic.
The BBC was keen to indulge the notion that a cossetted multi-millionairess had been a victim of racism, while completely ignoring girls like Victoria Agoglia, who died after having her 15-year-old veins filled with heroin so she could be raped by dozens of “Asian” (Pakistani-heritage) men.
I ask you, which case is of greater national significance? A duchess who leaves the Royal family after 20 months because it’s “not working for me”, or the revelation that police officers turned a blind eye to scores of children being grotesquely violated because to arrest their tormentors might look like cultural insensitivity?

Not much “white privilege” for poor Victoria Agoglia, whose grandmother begged in vain for police and social services to help her. Nor for the 11-year-old in Oxford whose buttock was branded with the initial of her British-Pakistani “owner”. On the contrary. The girls being white, and their abusers being non-white, made it much less likely they would be protected.

At long last, we now have conclusive proof of that. After a five-year investigation, the Independent Office for Police Conduct has just upheld a complaint against a senior Rotherham officer who admitted that his force ignored the sexual abuse of girls by grooming gangs “for decades” because it was afraid of increasing “racial tensions”.
The copper, who was unable to be identified, told a missing child’s distraught father that grooming was “P----s----ing”, and admitted that “what with it being Asians, we can’t afford for this to be coming out”, because the town “would erupt”.
Keeping the lid on social unrest, not upsetting “the community”, that was the main thing. Young girls pimped, threatened, tortured? Why, they were just collateral damage in the greater project of multiculturalism.
After Victoria Agoglia died of an overdose administered by an older man in 2003, official denial became a lot harder – although that didn’t stop the coroner at Victoria’s inquest doing his best. He “recognised the multiple concerns”, but pointed out that the girl had a “propensity to provide sexual favours”. Remember that insensitive man was talking about a child who was supposedly in the care of Manchester City Council when she was coerced, before puberty, into prostitution.
Maggie Oliver, who was a detective on the Rochdale grooming case

Maggie Oliver, who was a detective on the Rochdale grooming case CREDIT: PAUL COOPER
GMP set up Operation Augusta to tackle “the sexual exploitation of a significant number of children in the care system by predominantly Asian men”. Police identified at least 57 child victims and up to 97 suspects. But Augusta was abruptly closed down after just over a year when police turned to less “sensitive” crimes. The report claims there was a lack of resources, but the amazing Maggie Oliver, the retired detective who blew the whistle, said that not only had GMP “deliberately” not investigated child rape, it had tried to get the official report suppressed.

You may have noticed that I find it extremely hard to write about the despicable behaviour – both by the perpetrators and by the people who were supposed to protect their young prey – without completely losing it. So, just to recap: 27 towns and cities so far where grooming gangs, made up of predominantly Pakistani-heritage males, have plied their foul trade.
Last year, the NSPCC identified 19,000 victims of gang abuse and admitted the true number is probably much higher. It is, without doubt, the biggest scandal this country has seen in my lifetime, yet still there is a terror on the part of officialdom of conducting the full public inquiry that is so clearly needed.
Back in December 2018, Sajid Javid, then home secretary, said that it was “wrong to ignore” the ethnicity of abusers. Born in Rochdale to a British-Pakistani family, Javid was ideally placed to insist that he wanted officials researching the causes of gang-based exploitation to “leave no stone unturned”.
As home secretary, Sajid Javid said it was “wrong to ignore” the ethnicity of abusers in grooming gangs

As home secretary, Sajid Javid said it was “wrong to ignore” the ethnicity of abusers in grooming gangs CREDIT: JEFF OVERS/BBC/PA
Even Javid, after he spoke out, was asked by a Muslim writer if he worried that his comments “may have fuelled hate crimes”. Thus do perpetrators continue to evade justice because exposing the hateful things men from that background have done to young girls might cause, yes, “hate crimes”. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Consider the fate of that Home Office report into grooming gangs commissioned by Javid. Now complete, officials are refusing to make it public. Why?
We are often told that this is a complex issue. I think it’s horribly simple, actually. As Shaista Gohir of the Muslim Women’s Network told Newsnight last week: “Pakistan is one of the worst countries in the world to be a woman.” If you import Pakistan’s misogynistic attitudes into parts of the UK and they run straight into vulnerable young white girls who look, to a certain type of man, like easy meat, then you have a recipe for sexual abuse.
Furthermore, if your authorities are afraid to confront and condemn those misogynistic attitudes for fear of appearing racist, then that sexual abuse can flourish on an industrial scale.
I agree with Maggie Oliver. After the scathing report into GMP was published, she demanded that criminal prosecutions be brought against those at the top of the police. Let the guilty men be named and shamed for leaving so many terrified girls at the mercy of their abusers. Meanwhile, hundreds of victims are suing seven councils and South Yorkshire Police for their part in the Rotherham scandal. Good for them.

But a scandal of this magnitude calls for remedy at the highest level. Priti Patel has got off to a terrific start, fierce and focused, as Home Secretary. I hope she will call on her considerable reserves of political courage, publish the report into the grooming gangs and announce a public inquiry to put a stop to this toxic epidemic once and for all.

Laurence Fox was right. We are a remarkably tolerant nation. If anything is going to fuel racism in the UK, it’s the attempt to brush these abhorrent offences under the carpet.
Thanks for providing that.
 
Thanks for providing that.
I dont think that articles in the Torygraph will make a difference. I posted in this thread the other day that this thread was opened on the 27th August 2014 and fcuk all has happened. What we now have is a redacted report.

Its an utter disgrace
 
I dont think that articles in the Torygraph will make a difference. I posted in this thread the other day that this thread was opened on the 27th August 2014 and fcuk all has happened. What we now have is a redacted report.

Its an utter disgrace
Now I'm no lawyer, and I'm sure there are folk on arrse who can straighten me out, but surely there is a case that those who were in positions of authority who chose not to fulfill the requirements of those positions could be charged with being an accessory after the fact to various offences? Offences such as rape (of a minor), conspiracy, trafficking etc.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
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Now I'm no lawyer, and I'm sure there are folk on arrse who can straighten me out, but surely there is a case that those who were in positions of authority who chose not to fulfill the requirements of those positions could be charged with being an accessory after the fact to various offences? Offences such as rape (of a minor), conspiracy, trafficking etc.
The problem you have, as seen, is that even those who tried to blow the lid off were attacked. Not just that but evidence was deliberately destroyed.

But, in a nutshell, yes. I’m quite - no, very - content to see the careers of the guilty destroyed.
 
The problem you have, as seen, is that even those who tried to blow the lid off were attacked. Not just that but evidence was deliberately destroyed.

But, in a nutshell, yes. I’m quite - no, very - content to see the careers of the guilty destroyed.
Obviously there has to be the will to prosecute, but why should some crimes be ignored? (Rhetorical).

The cynic in me (ouch) wonders if there is political mileage in pursuing this issue, or not . . .
 

philc

LE
The problem you have, as seen, is that even those who tried to blow the lid off were attacked. Not just that but evidence was deliberately destroyed.

But, in a nutshell, yes. I’m quite - no, very - content to see the careers of the guilty destroyed.
We have covered this ground before but a recap.


Rotherham child sex abuse files 'missing from archive'


A Home Office official who investigated the sexual exploitation of children in Rotherham accused the council of being involved in the unauthorised removal of information from her office.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
Obviously there has to be the will to prosecute, but why should some crimes be ignored? (Rhetorical).

The cynic in me (ouch) wonders if there is political mileage in pursuing this issue, or not . . .
I guess it depends how far back it reaches.

The focus so far, as far as I can discern, has been on Labour's (particularly New Labour's) willingness to bury this. The current Tory government could be accused of a witch-hunt. Again, I don't care about the howling of those who've cynically dismissed the unfortunates of life. Naz Shah should have been prosecuted for her comments, as far as I'm concerned; those who actually covered up the deeds should be in windowless cells.

But if this also went on on the Tories' watch, the willingness to stick the boot in might be somewhat less.

Either way, unless we see some truth people are always going to remain cynical. And, contrary to the comments of such as Shah, racial harmony will suffer more, not less, damage.

An interesting point, and I'll come back to this again, is the supposed fear among police officers that if they were seen to target certain communities they'd have a riot on their hands. So, that means policing at the top line has failed - a part of the wider community is holding the rest to ransom.

Interesting, isn't it? Rotherham is still 86 percent white, and the surrounding borough 92 percent; the Asian population in-town is 8.5 percent and in the borough closer to 4 percent. Greater Manchester is still two-thirds white, with a Pakistani population (which is who we're really talking about here) of 8.5 percent. Less than 10 percent in both cases, then.

Given the types of crimes here, I can't see how the police would lose the support of 'the' community over taking action, just 'a' community. 'The' community should take precedence. It's not racist to accuse gang-rapists of gang rape. It's perfectly fair to say to a community, "You have a problem and in the absence of your efforts or success in dealing with it, we're going to."

Where I like people like Laurence Fox is that he's perfectly ready to call 'bollocks' on the assertions of those pushing agendas. We need more politicians to do the same.
 
to be fair I've suggested in the past that no grade E (grade 3) in maths, English and a British citizen exam should mean no benefits.

you can't be looking for work if you're too illiterate to work.
Cue them all getting DLA or it's replacement for window licking conditions.
 
The disagree is a result of the desperate efforts the gogs are trying, and failing to modernise it by spelling the modern word in a weird Welsh way ..
Noodles ….. Nwdls
Microwave … Popty ping
Ambulance … Ambiwlans
Pickles … Picls
The list goes on, then of course there is the huge cost of changing all the road signs putting of course the Welsh one on top. Some like the one for my home town Newport is now called Casnewydd which considering when I lived there, there were possibly a hundred people at most who had any knowledge of Welsh at all, out of a population of c. 100,000, and even those could speak English as did everybody else I met in Wales!
The sheer idiocy of this just to satisfy a few ultra nationalistic gogs & forcing it on everybody there, is almost unbelievable. They would be far better on pushing another current & useful modern language to help prepare kids for the real world outside of Wales!!
Microwave isn't actually popity ping that's a running joke, meicrodon is the word.
 

Londo

LE
Hardeep Singh had an article about this on Monday in The Spectator. He also mentions the broad brush term of "Asian" by the authorities, which aims to disguise the perps background, which makes dealing with the cause much more difficult and inadvertently panders to the far right extremists and their race hate.

It’s time to have an honest conversation about ‘Asian’ grooming gangs | Coffee House
Yes a very broad brush with all this lot but at complete odds with that triple stabbing at Ilford just the other evening .
Mention of them and the suspects being of the Sikh community every second sentence in the papers .
 
Yes a very broad brush with all this lot but at complete odds with that triple stabbing at Ilford just the other evening .
Mention of them and the suspects being of the Sikh community every second sentence in the papers .
I also recall the reporter saying something about "Emergency Stop & Search" powers have been put in place before I'd heard any reports of the ethnicity of the victims & perps.
I knew straight away that certain demographics, aka the usual suspects, weren't involved.
 

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