Rorkes Drift - A Welsh Triumph? Not really.

#1
The Welsh lobby is running riot now Cardiff City have reached the FA Cup Final. Cardiff will represent England if they win - due to a very late rule change. For the first time in history, a Welsh "National" Anthem will be sung at the FA Cup final. All arranged very late on by huge political interference in sport.
Much nonsense is being offered in support of these decisions. There are references on websites to Rorke's Drift and "Men of Harlech", for example.
OK so we have all seen the "Zulu" film.
In reality, the battle took place in 1879 when the Regiment was actually the 2nd Warwickshires. It became the South Wales Borderers in 1881. There were some Welshmen there as the Regiment had most recently been stationed in Wales. Most of the soldiers, including most of the VCs, were not Welsh. "Men of Harlech" was not sung.
The film is entertaining but historically inaccurate. So leave it out, please, Welshmen! PS Play up Pompey! God save the Queen!
 
#2
As long as it's this version of 'Men of Harlech', what't the problem... :wink:

A Welsh anthem....

"Men of Harlech
Stop complaining
Wales was made for
Army training
Always cold
And always raining
A Sh!t-house
That's for sure!"

"ONE TEAM IN HAMPSHIRE, THERE'S ONLY ONE TEAM IN HAMPSHIRE...!"
 
#3
Men of Harlech
Stop complaining
Wales was made for
Army training
Always cold
And always raining
A Sh!t-house
That's for sure!"

Airfux and other southern nancy boys are welcome to come to wales for toughening up, Might make men of you
 
#4
Oh yeah Wales, where the men are men and the sheep are nervous.
 
#7
Been there. Done it. Got the T shirt. By the way, what's that Northern nancy boy Clarkson doing on your page?
 
#8
Not to mention that the "men of Harlech" were actually English as well, since this was an English-built Royal castle garrisoned against the revolting natives....
 
#10
Bollox to 'em! I'm a Brit and proud. Can't be messin' with nationalists, whether Welsh, English, Irish or Scots!
Rule Britannia!
 
#11
I think if you look hard enough at the composition of most regiments of the British army, no matter what their titles now, you'll find they were a mix of English Irish Scots and Welsh depending on where they were posted and recruited previously. It was in truth a British army and as an ex member I'm proud to say I'm British and served alongside Britons of all the constituent countries and never thought of them as anything but British. Even the Black Watch when stationed in Dhekelia in 1960 had a very large number of Gloucestershire men in their ranks.
 
#12
Yeah - but in the 19th Century the British Army was 45% Irish in the ranks and 50%+ Anglo-Irish officers. If you look at any memorial for 19th Century campaign you will see a large number of Irish surnames no matter which regiment.
 
#13
johno2499 said:
Yeah - but in the 19th Century the British Army was 45% Irish in the ranks and 50%+ Anglo-Irish officers. If you look at any memorial for 19th Century campaign you will see a large number of Irish surnames no matter which regiment.
Because we were all British then! British together.

The Irish separatist movement has done no favours for the Irish or the rest of the British. There is more that unites us than divides us.

Come back to the fold, let us have a roving parliament that spends five years in London, five in Dublin, five in Cardiff and five in Edinburgh in turn. Let us revive the Commonwealth, denounce the princes and prelates of continental Europe and stand together, British one and all, prosperous, fair and strong!
 
#14
Absolutely! I agree 100%. Quis seperabit.
 
#15
EX_STAB said:
johno2499 said:
Yeah - but in the 19th Century the British Army was 45% Irish in the ranks and 50%+ Anglo-Irish officers. If you look at any memorial for 19th Century campaign you will see a large number of Irish surnames no matter which regiment.
Because we were all British then! British together.

The Irish separatist movement has done no favours for the Irish or the rest of the British. There is more that unites us than divides us.

Come back to the fold, let us have a roving parliament that spends five years in London, five in Dublin, five in Cardiff and five in Edinburgh in turn. Let us revive the Commonwealth, denounce the princes and prelates of continental Europe and stand together, British one and all, prosperous, fair and strong!
Fcuk reviving the Commonwealth lets get amongst it and revive the Empire.
 
#16
EX_STAB said:
The Irish separatist movement has done no favours for the Irish or the rest of the British. There is more that unites us than divides us.
Maybe not north of the border, but those in the south have approx an average gdp per capita £10 000 more than that of Britain.

johno2499 said:
Absolutely! I agree 100%. Quis seperabit.
Does that not mean "Who will seperate?" ?
 
#17
Maybe not north of the border, but those in the south have approx an average gdp per capita £10 000 more than that of Britain.
Not a very valid comparison given the vastly different population sizes (and it's hardly been due to self-invigoration has it? Granted; Ireland has made good use of the EU billions but without the EU billions the regeneration wouldn't have been so spectacular).

Sod the Empire. Stick to the plan (fragment the UK, then we will be in a position to get some EU subsidies instead).
 
#19
BobJamesCo said:
Men of Harlech
Stop complaining
Wales was made for
Army training
Always cold
And always raining
A Sh!t-house
That's for sure!"

Airfux and other southern nancy boys are welcome to come to wales for toughening up, Might make men of you
Nice try, Taff!

Being a Jock, I can safely say I've seen and climbed bigger mountains than your 'pricipality' has in my 'kingdom'!!! :wink:
 
#20
Harlech was English built? The King, his family, and all his major fiefs were members of the Norman Ascendancy who first grabbed England and then moved on to the rest of the Atlantic Isles. For the Welsh castles it seems they were using Master Masons from Savoy, as well as other continental techies. Amongt their Captains, Sargents and men at arms were a gaggle of mercenaries from anywhere. Indeed there were English peasants and others roped in as other ranks, to do the dirty work and carry the baggage, and to take the losses, but one thing is absolutely certain is that nobody in England voted for it. All they did was pay.
 

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