Rommel rides again

#2
I think everyone should unpack their heritage!
 

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#4
You could (almost) forgive the Germans for being proud of the Afrika Korps.

I know we are justly proud of the 8th Army, who eventually gave them a bloody good hiding!
 
#5
Yes Snowy - the difference their was the brilliance of their leader, Generalfeldmarshall Rommel!

http://www.waffenhq.de/biographien/biographien/rommel.html

I spent a year with the German army 262/2 Fallschirmjaegerbattalion and they have a proud heritage and I think they should be able to show this pride!
 

WALT

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#6
I should have stressed that I don't have a problem with it, I just find it amusing the crap that the media feel the need to dig up.
Also it amazes me that as soon as anyone "mentions the war," the German nation feels the need to indulge in a mass bout of self flaggelation.
They really should get over it. I'd like to think that we have (won't stop us reminding them, of course :D )
 
#7
I was in Kosovo in 99 with Trunk Node 012. We were attached to a German Panzer Regt who displayed the palm tree on the rear bins of the Leopard 2. Some of us managed to obtain the stencil and decorated our radio relay vehicles with the same. Needless to say tp OC went bananas!!. Rumour had it when asked the panzer regiment could trace its origins to the western desert.
 
#8
Good on them I say, its a symbol of a Regiment (Not only that but a nails Regiment)
 
#9
slopey_shoulders said:
Rumour had it when asked the panzer regiment could trace its origins to the western desert.
I did a short exercise with a boxhead panzer battalion many years ago. They were very proud of thie history and showed me round a room with all their 'trophies', maps and photos in it. There was a map tracing the battalion's path across Russia and a cabinet containing 'masked' decorations (the Krauts are obliged to cover up any form of swastika so all the badges and decorations sported little bits of plastic covering the symbol).

Towards the end of the ex, I was introduced to a very old stabsfeldwebel who had served as a 16 yr old panzerman in the last days of the recent unpleasantness. He did a few years in a soviet camp but was released in the late forties and it didn't take him long to join the fledgling tank corps of the Bundeswehr. He produced an album of piccies showing Wehrmacht panzer crews doing covert armoured training east of the Volga in the thirties before they were withdrawn for overt training in Germany. This was no mean feat as photographs like those could have earned the phot a death sentence.

They are very much in touch with their past! What was interesting was that anumber of them bemoaned Dunkirk. They thought it should have been a rendezvouz, not an evacuation. :D
 
#10
me n bee said:
Yes Snowy - the difference their was the brilliance of their leader, Generalfeldmarshall Rommel!

http://www.waffenhq.de/biographien/biographien/rommel.html

I spent a year with the German army 262/2 Fallschirmjaegerbattalion and they have a proud heritage and I think they should be able to show this pride!
German troops 'had WWII symbol' BBC Link

I think the BBC have altered the content of this story slightly, as I'm sure yesterday they were refering to Rommel as 'Nazi General Rommel'.
 
#12
Africa korp = Nails

I'm all for it, Ze germans I worked with were good blokes, Hans (the panzergrenadier) was doubly so as he was as big as two men and had the biggest 'tache since Pancho Villa, no hair on his head and carried ammo boxes like I carry my mobile phone.
 
#13
so bloody what if its from WW2 - most of our divisional and brigade symbols date back to then

even regiments have decidedly un PC insignia - the red backing behind the LI cap badge commemorates a massacre carried out by British troops a few hundred years ago
 
#14
Random_Task said:
me n bee said:
Yes Snowy - the difference their was the brilliance of their leader, Generalfeldmarshall Rommel!

http://www.waffenhq.de/biographien/biographien/rommel.html

I spent a year with the German army 262/2 Fallschirmjaegerbattalion and they have a proud heritage and I think they should be able to show this pride!
German troops 'had WWII symbol' BBC Link

I think the BBC have altered the content of this story slightly, as I'm sure yesterday they were refering to Rommel as 'Nazi General Rommel'.

Revisionist cr@p - he was a General in the army of the Nazi state - stop pretending that he was jolly good chap. Like the rest of the '44 plotters he only turned against Hitler when the writing was on the wall. They turned against Hitler not because he was evil, murdering b~stard, but because the war was being lost and they wanted to sue for peace before Germany was destroyed.

Yes, he was a good general, and the German land forces were, from a tactical perspective, very capable and are still worth studying, but lets not forget they were fighting for an evil murderous regime (Strangely enough, lead by a weird bunch of freaks, misfits, sexual deviants and drug addicts) and were at least, tacit, accomplices to its many crimes.
 
#15
Fred_Cat said:
Random_Task said:
me n bee said:
Yes Snowy - the difference their was the brilliance of their leader, Generalfeldmarshall Rommel!

http://www.waffenhq.de/biographien/biographien/rommel.html

I spent a year with the German army 262/2 Fallschirmjaegerbattalion and they have a proud heritage and I think they should be able to show this pride!
German troops 'had WWII symbol' BBC Link

I think the BBC have altered the content of this story slightly, as I'm sure yesterday they were refering to Rommel as 'Nazi General Rommel'.

Revisionist cr@p - he was a General in the army of the Nazi state - stop pretending that he was jolly good chap. Like the rest of the '44 plotters he only turned against Hitler when the writing was on the wall. They turned against Hitler not because he was evil, murdering b~stard, but because the war was being lost and they wanted to sue for peace before Germany was destroyed.

Yes, he was a good general, and the German land forces were, from a tactical perspective, very capable and are still worth studying, but lets not forget they were fighting for an evil murderous regime (Strangely enough, lead by a weird bunch of freaks, misfits, sexual deviants and drug addicts) and were at least, tacit, accomplices to its many crimes.
Are you accusing me of being a revisionist, or the BBC?
 
#16
Just to clarify RT, I don't go along with the idea that somehow Rommel or the Wehrmacht were not part of the Nazi state. I don't see why Rommel should not be described as a Nazi general.

If I have misunderstood your views on this, I apologise.
 
#18
May be a tactical genius,but, swastikas on his boys tanks check
Occupied france in the 40s check
blown up delibretly by crab air check

Makes him a nazi general :D
 
#19
Fred_Cat said:
Just to clarify RT, I don't go along with the idea that somehow Rommel or the Wehrmacht were not part of the Nazi state. I don't see why Rommel should not be described as a Nazi general.

If I have misunderstood your views on this, I apologise.
I only mentioned it because I hadn't expressed my views, I'd merely reported that I believed the article content had changed slightly, citing the description of Rommel as an example.

I happen to agree with you,Fred_Cat. I attribute this to Hollywood, and the post war dominance of histories produced by former members of the German High Command (often tailored to the US market in terms of content).
 
#20
Fred_Cat said:
Revisionist cr@p - he was a General in the army of the Nazi state - stop pretending that he was jolly good chap. Like the rest of the '44 plotters he only turned against Hitler when the writing was on the wall. They turned against Hitler not because he was evil, murdering b~stard, but because the war was being lost and they wanted to sue for peace before Germany was destroyed.

Yes, he was a good general, and the German land forces were, from a tactical perspective, very capable and are still worth studying, but lets not forget they were fighting for an evil murderous regime (Strangely enough, lead by a weird bunch of freaks, misfits, sexual deviants and drug addicts) and were at least, tacit, accomplices to its many crimes.
So where does that leave the British Army of today then?

I think the test of his nazism lies solely in his membership or otherwise of the National Socialist party.
 

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