Role of a 2lt

#1
Hi guys. Fairly new to the site, absolutely love it.

Anyway, what I'm looking to find out is this: what is the role of a 2lt in the infantry?

Any information would be much appreciated.
Apologies if this has been covered already, if this is the case can you please direct me to the relevant thread?

Thanks in advance.
 
#3
Unofficial View:



It is the role and responsibility of such a rank to get in the way, ask stupid questions, get lost and generally be a burden to his Platoon Snco

Whilst being a commisioned officer it is still recognised that at this rank the young officer is seriously "Wet behind the ears" and needs to be guided in all aspects of his service and command by those who know better (By all ranks from Sergeant to RSM).

In general it is also the job of the young officer to wear outlandish and outmoded clothing when off duty and to also attempt to wear items not issued when in uniform and bring attention to this until "Put right" by the RSM

In conclusion it will be your first command position and you are there to learn and take heed of how things are REALLY run outside of Sandhurst and how the Army "Ticks" until you have enough B*llockings and mistakes under your belt to get promoted knowing that you may well make mistakes again, but from that day on you will be responisible for them.

Official View:

Platoon commander responsible for 20-30 soldiers
 
#4
If you ever wonder how valuable you are to the Army as a 2Lt, compare how much you get paid to the pay of one of your Section commanders.

And rest assured that as soon as you've really got the hang of commanding an infantry platoon, and your boys are trained to a peak of efficiency and teamwork, some b@stard at BnHQ will notice and promote you so that you can flounder about for another couple of years.
 
#5
To add some experience to temper his (cause you specified infantry) education. Preferably without making too many serious mistakes.
 
#6
-To listen twice as much as he talks (to everyone).
-To watch and listen to his Pl 2IC before trying or doing anything with the Pl.
-To recognise that OTC and RMAS aren't the Army; and experience gained whilst in said organisations is to be kept to himself - if you're a ninja in the field then just get on with it.

For a start (and don't dress like you're from the 1930s or were dressed by your mum FFS...).
 

cpunk

LE
Moderator
#7
That's enough jaded cliches folks!

An infantry 2Lt commands a platoon of 30-ish soldiers and is hopefully ably assisted by a sergeant that understands that a newly commissioned officer will need a certain amount of guidance. It is worth remembering that most platoon sgts won't have that much experience in the role either, so platoon commanders and platoon sergeants need to work together to get the job done properly. There are some 2Lts who take to the job very quickly and need minimal help from their sergeant; and there are some sergeants who are jack, useless choppers who would be better off flipping burgers in MacDonalds, but by and large, it's a system that works well because both sides understand the deal.
 
#8
I have highlighted in bold your duties.......


CO (Lt Col)
Runs faster than a speeding bullet
Can walk on water
Is as strong as ten trains
Can leap tall buildings
Talks to God

Coy Comd (Major)
Can run as fast as a speeding bullet
Can swim well in calm water
Is as strong as one train
Can jump tall buildings in favourable winds
Is sometimes invited to talk to God

Adjutant (Capt)
Can Fire a speeding bullet from a gun
Can swim well with arm bands
Is as strong as a bus
Can find the entrance to tall buildings
Can talk to God only if request forms are filled out in triplicate

Pl Comd (2Lt/Lt)
Is never given a loaded weapon
Drowns when placed near water
Say's "look Choo Choo"
Can tell what a tall building looks like 9 times out of 10
Has never heard of God

RSM
Catches speeding bullets in his teeth and chews them
Freezes water with a single glance
Blows over 20 trains with one puff
Kicks aside tall buildings that get in his way
HE IS GOD
 
#9
aside from the well meaning comments herein;

LEARN TO READ A MAP
LEARN TO READ A MAP
LEARN TO READ A MAP

without gps and how to get from a to b with the least fuss in the fastest way possible. I've seen several young 2/Lts scuppered at that most basic of military skills and the stigma sticks to you like glue......for a long time, and pees off everyone :)
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#14
To be dicked for the QMs drinks bill at the mess do!
 

mysteron

LE
Book Reviewer
#15
To all of the SNCOs and JNCOs out there reading and posting to this thread:

As a former officer, being lucky enough to make it to sub-unit command, remember this. It is your responsibility to assist, guide, educate and shape young officers into the beings that you want to respect and follow. As a member of the Coy/Sqn/Bty that you are in, one day (very soon with the Graduates) they could end up being the Second-in-Command. If they fail as a young officer, they will fail in this role.

It will be partly their fault for not seeking assistance, but it will largely be yours. So get a grip - invest the time in educating these people so they don't end up fcuking you (and the rest of the WOs' & Sgts' Mess and the Cpls' Mess) later.

I was very lucky to have 2 Sgts and 3 Cpls who spent time helping to teach me my job. One came up to me when I was a second in command when I was getting all cocky and reminded me why I knew my job but hadn't learnt everything - back in my place but realisation dawned.

To the budding 2Lt:

Be confidently humble. Listen, learn and invite your Sgts and Cpls to educate you - extend the trust but try not to be naive and laugh the few stitch ups along the way. If you see or hear a SNCO or JNCO grumble about a brother (or sister) officer that is not cutting the mustard, ask yourself whether they lack education - if so, challenge them to find out what they are doing to fix the problem.

This is a team sport guys. Now, more than in the last 40 years, is more being asked of the young men and women entrusted to lead (I include NCOs in that statement). We need each other.

......and breathe......


edit: because of mongday morning spellung mistooks.
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
#16
Lead the Pl on Ops and on exercise, with the help and guidance of his Pl Sgt...

Right, that is the easy (!) bit covered. Now be prepared to:

1. Do a fair amount of orderly officer duties.

2. Write up confidential reports for your soldiers, giving a fair and honest appraisal of their work over the reporting period, their position relative to their peers and their future potential. Note that everyone feels that they should be the top soldier within their rank, and that their personal contribution to the Pl should be recognised above all others.

3. Attend court/police stations a lot. Be prepared to swear that Pte (or Sgt) buggins is a fine upstanding soldier, that the event in question is totally out of character, that to send him to prison would deprive the army of a fine soldier and that a fine would suffice. Note - the above all applies even if he is the Pl pillock.

4. Try and protect your Pl from "the system" as much as you can, but do not shy away from giving them the bad news when the system wins in the end.

5. Remember that you will recieve advice and guidance from everyone in your platoon whether asked for or not, but the ultimate responsibility is yours and yours alone. Same goes for the map reading cliche - many will comment glibly from the back, but how many are willing to walk to the front and assume responsibility?

Last of all, enjoy it - it is probably the best job you will have, and a good working relationship with your Pl Sgt will last for years to come.
 
#17
Friendly_Fire said:
To QUIETLY prove the above people wrong.

Look very carefully....if you do, you will notice that in no way have I indicated that the 2lt. is a race worthy of derision unless he/she makes it that way.

Paving the way for a young officer to become an effective part of the organisation leads to number of mistakes and is a steep learning curve, but if properly selected and educated the young officer will be able to cope with the help of decent guidance from his platoon staff.

As has been mentioned this process is a meeting of both worlds, there's no purpose or gain when either party has the wrong attitude and it shows up pretty quickly.

As with the world, there are many types of people and in my time i've met some officers who i'd follow quite happily, some who were worth their weight in gold and some i'd not even give the time of day to and were the prime cause of the general dislike of bad and ineffective officers.

Also the general concensus that ex-rankers make better officers is a bit of a myth, one of the most arrogant, ill informed, bad tempered, inflexible and downright nasty officers I have ever met happened to be an ex-TSM.

But there you go, it take all sorts to make an Army (Oh, and the world in general).
 

cpunk

LE
Moderator
#18
Blue/GreenJob said:
Also the general concensus that ex-rankers make better officers is a bit of a myth, one of the most arrogant, ill informed, bad tempered, inflexible and downright nasty officers I have ever met happened to be an ex-TSM.
First time I've ever come across that particular 'consensus'.

In my experience the things marking out ex-rankers as in any way different from their DE-DE colleagues have largely been beaten out of them by a year at RMAS. The advantages they have are in their first few weeks at the Academy when they know how to march, polish, run, get dressed etc etc etc; but it's a steep learning curve for everyone.
 
#19
Quote The Duke . Attend court/police stations a lot. Be prepared to swear that Pte (or Sgt) buggins is a fine upstanding soldier, that the event in question is totally out of character, that to send him to prison would deprive the army of a fine soldier and that a fine would suffice. Note - the above all applies even if he is the Pl pillock.

Gosh-I did this many moons ago in Edinburgh as a very new 2/Lt swore blind that defendant was upstanding hero in NI, only for the fiscal to say in his summing up that he had spent his happiest days in the Indian Army and left at Partition when posted to jock Regiment. Did I say Jock had battered an ethnic chappie!
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#20
In my day harumph I didnt think LE did Sandbags, if they did it wasnt advertised. In fact they were called QM's Commissions as that was the route, RQ-RSM-Lt (about 2 weeks)-Oic Trg wing Capt-QM/Trg Major/OC HQ Coy.
 

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