Role Fitness Test Alternative RFT (A) - What does it entail?

I was looking at this earlier: New Physical Employment Standards for the Army and noticed this paragraph

STANDARD FOR ARMY RESERVE GCC
For Reserve GCC personnel, the in-service Mandatory Annual Training Test will be the Role Fitness Test Alternative (RFT (A)) – which replaces the Annual Fitness Test.
The RFT (A) is a gym based predictor of RFT (S) success and addresses the unique challenges of the Reserves. It is a critical pass/fail test for Reserve GCC personnel and will be required to gain the Certificate of Efficiency.
Reserve personnel who deploy or attend career courses will be required to pass the Regular RFT (S) when it is the appropriate physical standard for the role.
What I can't find is an explanation of what this entails. I'm interested to learn which gym based tests can predict success in the new RFT (S).

Anyone here able to tell me?

T_T
 

oppoStu

War Hero
I was looking at this earlier: New Physical Employment Standards for the Army and noticed this paragraph



What I can't find is an explanation of what this entails. I'm interested to learn which gym based tests can predict success in the new RFT (S).

Anyone here able to tell me?

T_T
Not sure if it is different for reserves, but the new physical fitness standards are below...

Army details new gender-free physical fitness standards for combat roles

"Under the new system soldiers will have to do a 4km march carrying 40kg of equipment in less than 40 minutes, followed by a 2km march carrying 25kg of equipment in under 15 minutes. Soldiers will then have to complete a fire and move exercise in less than five minutes, followed by a 20m drag of a 110kg weight."

"They will then have to carry two water cans weighing 22kg each over 240m in under four minutes, followed by lifting a 70kg weight and holding it for three seconds. Finally soldiers will have to carry bags weighing 20kg 20 times over a distance of 30m."
 

Just_plain_you

War Hero
I was looking at this earlier: New Physical Employment Standards for the Army and noticed this paragraph



What I can't find is an explanation of what this entails. I'm interested to learn which gym based tests can predict success in the new RFT (S).

Anyone here able to tell me?

T_T
Unfortunately the MATT2 documentation contains this:

Copyright This work is copyright and intellectual rights for this publication belong exclusively to the Ministry of Defence (MOD). No material or information contained in this publication should be released outside MOD establishments except as authorised by the sponsor and the MOD where appropriate.

Security This document is issued for the information of such persons who need to know its contents in the course of their official duties. Any person finding this document should hand it first to a British Forces unit or to a British police station for its safe return to the MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (MOD), D MOD SY, LONDON, SWA 2HB.
 

MoleBath

LE
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Not sure if it is different for reserves, but the new physical fitness standards are below...

Army details new gender-free physical fitness standards for combat roles

"Under the new system soldiers will have to do a 4km march carrying 40kg of equipment in less than 40 minutes, followed by a 2km march carrying 25kg of equipment in under 15 minutes. Soldiers will then have to complete a fire and move exercise in less than five minutes, followed by a 20m drag of a 110kg weight."

"They will then have to carry two water cans weighing 22kg each over 240m in under four minutes, followed by lifting a 70kg weight and holding it for three seconds. Finally soldiers will have to carry bags weighing 20kg 20 times over a distance of 30m."
Will yeomanry units be allowed Pimms filled cans followed by dragging a simulated drunken subaltern ?
 
Unfortunately the MATT2 documentation contains this:

Copyright This work is copyright and intellectual rights for this publication belong exclusively to the Ministry of Defence (MOD). No material or information contained in this publication should be released outside MOD establishments except as authorised by the sponsor and the MOD where appropriate.

Security This document is issued for the information of such persons who need to know its contents in the course of their official duties. Any person finding this document should hand it first to a British Forces unit or to a British police station for its safe return to the MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (MOD), D MOD SY, LONDON, SWA 2HB.

You're right! Please make sure to give the MoD a stiff talking to for publishing the rest of the tests on the internet (as seen in the link in my original post). That was very, very naughty of them indeed.
 

potter

Old-Salt
I was looking at this earlier: New Physical Employment Standards for the Army and noticed this paragraph



What I can't find is an explanation of what this entails. I'm interested to learn which gym based tests can predict success in the new RFT (S).

Anyone here able to tell me?

T_T
Delightfully, the Apr 19 MATT 2 (issue 11) contains no reference to RFT(A), nor to any gym based alternatives to RFT(S). Must be part of the "still evolving" understanding of how to apply a new fitness testing regime to the Reserve.

ETA: There *is* a RFT(S)(interim) for Reserve GCC personnel, but the tasks therein are definitely *not* gym based.
 
Delightfully, the Apr 19 MATT 2 (issue 11) contains no reference to RFT(A), nor to any gym based alternatives to RFT(S). Must be part of the "still evolving" understanding of how to apply a new fitness testing regime to the Reserve.
Cheers Potter, it'll be interesting to see what they decide on. Both with regards to the content of the tests themselves, and with regards to this sentence "It is a critical pass/fail test for Reserve GCC personnel and will be required to gain the Certificate of Efficiency. "

Looking forward to seeing what the non-ground close combat RFT turns out to be too.
 

potter

Old-Salt
Cheers Potter, it'll be interesting to see what they decide on. Both with regards to the content of the tests themselves, and with regards to this sentence "It is a critical pass/fail test for Reserve GCC personnel and will be required to gain the Certificate of Efficiency. "

Looking forward to seeing what the non-ground close combat RFT turns out to be too.
Others will probably know better, but I think that this marks a transition for differentiating who does / does not get a CoE - being clearer that certain roles have different pass/fail criteria, as opposed to loosely tying CoE to MATT level and thus to unit role (plus the get-out-of-jail card of the CO's sign-off).

Non-GCC RFT is not due for a couple of years yet, and I'm sure it will need refinement even then!
 

Just_plain_you

War Hero
Cheers Potter, it'll be interesting to see what they decide on. Both with regards to the content of the tests themselves, and with regards to this sentence "It is a critical pass/fail test for Reserve GCC personnel and will be required to gain the Certificate of Efficiency. "

Looking forward to seeing what the non-ground close combat RFT turns out to be too.
It remains as the AFT for now...
 
I did my first reserve RFT over the weekend, the 4km tab with 40kg weight (26kg Bergen, 9.5kg webbing and 4.5kg rifle) is straight forward, it's harder on the shoulders than the legs I found and whilst I wasn't struggling with the tab I was glad to get the weight off by the time I got to the finish point. Then a 15 minute stop to take on water and shake off before straight into a 2km best effort run with 25kg (9.5kg webbing, 11kg daysack and rifle) to be completed under 15 minutes, that was quite cheeky with it being a boggy field but again not too bad if you run to the point of being hooped and then break into a fast tab to catch your breath, then back into a run again. Fastest bloke came in at 10:50 on that.
From there it was into what is meant to represent a section attack in webbing, helmet and rifle where you start from prone, run forward to the next cone at the PTI's pace, down into prone for 8 seconds, back up and run again, rinse and repeat 20 times, then a 15 metre leopard crawl and up into a best effort sprint to the finish.
The last test was a 240 metre jerry can carry with two cans, supposed to replicate a stretcher carry, that was pretty easy and found myself doing a shuffle/jog for a lot of that, you have 4 minutes to complete it which is more than enough time.
I believe regulars do a further few tests on top of this as well, I'd argue that we should do the same but them's the rules and I don't make them.
Seems to be quite a good test and there are no age or gender allowances on it so it's probably a bit of a shock to the older bods who are used to having those extra minutes on the old PFA or not having to do as many press ups and sit ups as the young thrusters
 
Seems to be quite a good test and there are no age or gender allowances on it so it's probably a bit of a shock to the older bods who are used to having those extra minutes on the old PFA or not having to do as many press ups and sit ups as the young thrusters
A helpful post, cheers, but not quite correct on this point. The RFT doesn't replace the PFA, it replaces the AFT. The SCR replaces the PFA, so those that struggled with press-ups/sit-ups now have to contend with pull-ups (even those that sailed the old PFA cause they were tiny, old and could run well, will struggle massively with the pull-ups). So it's all those that struggled with the AFT (again, the tiny people) are now going to really hate the extra weight to be carried and all the other strength based assessments in this new RFT.

Any news on whether Reserves have a lower pass mark than Regulars? All other MATTS have differences between level 2 and level 1 MATTs, level 1 only being required on mobilisation. This was because Reserves are meant to be at a lower state of readiness. So does the new MATT2 maintain that distinction, or are we all now meant to maintain the same standard of fitness as Regulars at all times? It's only been in the last couple of years that some quirk of policy has meant that Reserves only needed to attempt PFA for CoE, but faced disciplinary measures for not passing that could end in SNLR. (Worm can opened!)
 
A helpful post, cheers, but not quite correct on this point. The RFT doesn't replace the PFA, it replaces the AFT. The SCR replaces the PFA, so those that struggled with press-ups/sit-ups now have to contend with pull-ups (even those that sailed the old PFA cause they were tiny, old and could run well) will struggle massively with the pull-ups). So it's all those that struggled with the AFT (again, the tiny people) are now going to really hate the extra weight to be carried and all the other strength based assessments in this new RFT.

Any news on whether Reserves have a lower pass mark than Regulars? All other MATTS have differences between level 2 and level 1 MATTs, level 1 only being required on mobilisation. This was because Reserves are meant to be at a lower state of readiness. So does the new MATT2 maintain that distinction, or are we all now meant to maintain the same standard of fitness as Regulars at all times? It's only been in the last couple of years that some quirk of policy has meant that Reserves only needed to attempt PFA for CoE, but faced disciplinary measures for not passing that could end in SNLR. (Worm can opened!)
Yeah I didn't include the SCR as we did that months ago, the only part of that I had dramas with was the overhand pull ups as despite being all over most fitness and a bit of an amateur bodybuilder I rarely do pull ups, so it's a weakness to work on, but with there being no standard set yet it wasn't a fail at this point that I only managed five. The run was easy as it's shorter than the old PFA and the med ball throw, static jumps, deadlifts and shuttle runs weren't a drama.

As reserves we did the 4km tab, the 2km run, the dash down crawl and the jerry can lift, I believe the difference is that the regulars (or any reservists mobilising) do an extra two or three tests on top of that including a casualty drag and shuttle runs with power bags. Everyone who attended passed it, though it was very tight on the 2km for a few. And there were a few who have probably never had to tab with more than the old CFT weight on so 40kg put a few grimaces on.
 
Yeah I didn't include the SCR as we did that months ago, the only part of that I had dramas with was the overhand pull ups as despite being all over most fitness and a bit of an amateur bodybuilder I rarely do pull ups, so it's a weakness to work on, but with there being no standard set yet it wasn't a fail at this point that I only managed five. The run was easy as it's shorter than the old PFA and the med ball throw, static jumps, deadlifts and shuttle runs weren't a drama.
What were the minimum timings/score for SCR?
 
Any news on whether Reserves have a lower pass mark than Regulars? All other MATTS have differences between level 2 and level 1 MATTs, level 1 only being required on mobilisation. This was because Reserves are meant to be at a lower state of readiness. So does the new MATT2 maintain that distinction, or are we all now meant to maintain the same standard of fitness as Regulars at all times?
Alternatively, think of it as "meet the same minimum standard of fitness as Regulars" - it derisks courses etc. where students should be able to carry out reasonably demanding physical activity (whether Regular or Reserve) without risk of injury.

Of course, you'd expect most Regulars to comfortably exceed that minimum standard...
 
What were the minimum timings/score for SCR?
My understanding is that at the moment there aren't any (for the reserve at least).

I've heard it described that we are currently in a data gathering phase and that standards will be rolled out in the next year or so based on what is actually being achieved. That said, I doubt standards will be set based on the lowest common denominator, despite what the S*R and Herfy brigade may think.
 
...there were a few who have probably never had to tab with more than the old CFT weight on so 40kg put a few grimaces on.
Don't forget the odd one who's been exempt the old AFT on age grounds for a year or two and who suddenly found themselves playing combat buckeroo.
 
Don't forget the odd one who's been exempt the old AFT on age grounds for a year or two and who suddenly found themselves playing combat buckeroo.
Exactly. The last tab I did was my phys pass out tab on my Bravo, three and a half years ago, aged 51 (nearly 52). Because of my age I’ve not done one since. How I’m looking forward to the new regime!
 

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