Robbed of the right to smoke

#4
Why should prisoners be exempt? They should not be allowed to smoke while in prison. :x

Nothing to do with snout being the black market currency??
 
#5
TheBigUn said:
Why should prisoners be exempt? They should not be allowed to smoke while in prison. :x

Nothing to do with snout being the black market currency??
Exactly, why should pond life be allowed to smoke in an enclosed area while those with mental health issues are not.

should be a total ban or no ban at all!
 
#6
SparkySteve said:
"The only friend I had was a cigarette"

Judy Mead
Former mental health patient
Apparently, the cigarettes name was 'Ashy' and he was from Omecron Persei 8
 
#7
Rabid anti smoker as I am....even I think that this is wrong! Scumbags get to lie in their pits puffing away, yet those who have done nothing wrong, but have some issues are prevented from doing the same!

For shame!
 
#8
Well the goverment has focred all the smokers outside, so there is nw a proliferation of patio heaters heating the outside smoking areas which they ar now claiming are increasing the Co2 emmissions. guess what they want to tax them now. Bloody money grasbbing barstewards. Even better does it look good to go out on the town and see crowds of smokers huddling outside? There is now a new word in the dictionary 'smurting' which is smokers flirting.

Stilts
 
#9
It's actually quite a serious issue in mental health terms. When I worked on wards we always used to advise patients who wanted to give up to leave it until they were better. AFAIK that's still the general tone taken. Psychiatric wards are scary places for many patients and forcing them to go through another very stressful/stress inducing process (smoking cessation) isn't exactly going to help them get better any more quickly.

Must be remembered that the Mental Health Act is still the only legislation that allows removal of liberty without a trial beforehand, and patients aren't criminals, they're ill. Allowing prisoners but not detained patients to smoke is clearly absurd.

I think it's at least possible that this is yet another example of crappy legislation that was never properly thought through, and that it just didn't occur to anyone that detained patients were in this situation.
 
#10
TheBigUn said:
Why should prisoners be exempt? They should not be allowed to smoke while in prison. :x

Nothing to do with snout being the black market currency??
Allowing prisoners to smoke is probably used to maintain order within the prisons. I agree that its not fair, but most likely the sensible thing to do.
 
#11
I despise smoking, but forcing people all ready under tremendous emotional stress to give it up is ridiculous. What eejit came up with that idea?
 
#13
KevinB said:
I despise smoking, but forcing people all ready under tremendous emotional stress to give it up is ridiculous. What eejit came up with that idea?
Not sure anyone came up with it, just don't think anyone had realised it would be an issue until it was raised!
 
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#16
oldbaldy said:
romach said:
I thought it was coke that went there.
OB, I never failed a drugs test! I still think that using recreational drugs in a form of weakness.

What p!ssed me off is that people with mental health problems are being screwed over while pond life in prisons can smoke!

We also need to remember that some of these people who suffer from mental health problems are people we may have served with.
 
#17
I have just the slightest suspicion this is the result not of the governments plan but the real anti smoking nazis in the health service, whos property the hospitals are. The trust where I used to live was trying to extend the ban not just to the buildings but to the land so that there would be no smoking on hospital trust land. I think this was nobbled but it shows the way they are going. As ever the concept is not bad in itself but the way it is implemented leaves a lot to be desired.
 
#18
Life in a typical mental health unit is not exactly festooned with luxuries. Like all hospitals, they can seem cold, clinical and austere places to many patients.

And life is about to get worse for many of those held in a unit. By 1 July 2008 they must all be smoke-free...

...The move is likely to anger many patients, who are not allowed to leave the unit and are not being punished for any crime. Already three are taking legal action over their right to smoke.
They're not allowed to leave the unit? No wonder they're fucking mental.
 
#19
maxi_77 said:
I have just the slightest suspicion this is the result not of the governments plan but the real anti smoking nazis in the health service, whos property the hospitals are. The trust where I used to live was trying to extend the ban not just to the buildings but to the land so that there would be no smoking on hospital trust land. I think this was nobbled but it shows the way they are going. As ever the concept is not bad in itself but the way it is implemented leaves a lot to be desired.
That's now how it is for the majority of NHS trusts in the UK and will come into force even if it isn't now.
 
#20
and what about the healthcare staff living in prisons and mental health units? what about their health?

it should be banned on both.

H.
 

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