RMT Tube workers taking the piss

#1
BBC News Link

The RMT (as opposed to the other 3 unions involved see here)want tube workers to get 5% pay rise! For what? With the rest of the country tightening its belt and talk of deflation as opposed to any serious increased cost of living how do these cnuts honestly justify their ridiculous pay as it stands. Compare the skills and risks involved in the armed forces and their pay against these guys and it makes my blood boil :x

Its Groundhog day with these guys. They're never f#'%ing happy!

2008 here
2007 here
2006 here
2005 here

Strike busting. Now there's an interesting use for the CCRF. How do you deal with people who treat stikes like an easy way to take extra days off work every year? Suggestions welcomed.
 
#4
Workers of the world unite!

Of course their job isn't as dangerous as soldiers. Yes, Soldiers deserve a pay rise.

But its how unions do business. They ask for 5% and settle for 2.5. If they asked for 2.5, they'd have to settle for 1.25.
 

Unknown_Quantity

War Hero
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#5
I look forward to the day that the system is completely automated leaving only station staff, engineering staff and cleaners. Shame that it won't be any time soon though.
 
#6
I'm a member of the RMT, if only because you're leaving yourself wide open to being royally fcuked around by RFA management if you're not. The shipping section is far less militant than rail and Bob Crow makes my blood boil. Supporting Labour was bad enough but now the cnuts are giving money to 'No2EU' - made up of such responsible parties as the Communist Party of Britain and Socialist Resistance. Little wonder that most of us tick the box indicating that our cash shouldn't go to the political fund...
 
#7
Unknown_Quantity said:
I look forward to the day that the system is completely automated leaving only station staff, engineering staff and cleaners. Shame that it won't be any time soon though.
Yes, because an automated system can follow the emergency procedures that the driver does :roll: , If a train derails, who deals with the passengers or if a pass-comm is activated, who goes to see why, deal with it and any problems? Having been a train driver, I certainly would not feel safe in an automated system - especially when the software on the company's trains was Win 95 8O

If you read the article, this is not all about money but more about the management renaging on previous deals.
 
#8
It is high time that (former) communist Bob Crow was shown the realalities of the real world in a very Thatcheresque way.Hopefully after the next election that will happen.
 
#9
rockpile said:
The drivers are OK. It is their leader who has his own power seeking agenda. I bet less than 50% even voted.
A lot less that that.

"RMT Tube members voted by 2,810 in favour of a strike with 488 against. Transport for London members voted by 75 in favour of a strike with 15 against.

Although the union, the Tube's largest, has a mandate for strikes — likely to be a series of discontinuous 24-hour stoppages — the turnout was low among the 10,000 who could have voted."


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...e+to+halt+entire+Tube+for+48+hours/article.do
 
#10
Wow and I thought the general voting public were apathetic! Thats a pretty poor turnout given you presumably either vote by post or effectively your place of work is your polling station.
Does that mean 70% of the members didn't show up for work on teh day the pollin gtook place?! :wink:
 
#11
Deadreckon said:
Wow and I thought the general voting public were apathetic! Thats a pretty poor turnout given you presumably either vote by post or effectively your place of work is your polling station.
Does that mean 70% of the members didn't show up for work on teh day the pollin gtook place?! :wink:
Having been through this with a certain railway company in the south of England, I can tell you that a lot of unofficial and official forms of intimidation/veiled threats made by the company concerned.

It is a very unpleasent situation to be in and usually they try to sack any union reps for any reason they can find, usually it's the incitement one, as it is a sackable offence (Clause 9) to advise members to go on strike. I have been in meetings with management and when the letter comes from the company, detailing what was discussed/agreed/disagreed, I have wondered if I had attended a different meeting as the letter bore no resemblense (sp?) to the one I attended.

We were (in writing) even told that they would not pay our back pay if we did not back down, even though this was illegal as it was monies already earnt and nothing to do with the dispute.

Having said all that, I still think the RMT (underground bit) is way too militant and seem to call a strike each time their kettle boils!
 
#13
Can you imagine the 'strike' these 'dinosaur like' clowns will engineer for the Olympics?

Do you live in London? Can you imagine what 2012 will be like?

When will someone 'handbag' the frantic 'oik' Crowe?

When will someone stop the 'brain-dead' minority destroying the service provided by, and for, the majority?
 

Unknown_Quantity

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#14
Recce19 said:
Unknown_Quantity said:
I look forward to the day that the system is completely automated leaving only station staff, engineering staff and cleaners. Shame that it won't be any time soon though.
Yes, because an automated system can follow the emergency procedures that the driver does :roll: , If a train derails, who deals with the passengers or if a pass-comm is activated, who goes to see why, deal with it and any problems? Having been a train driver, I certainly would not feel safe in an automated system - especially when the software on the company's trains was Win 95 8O

If you read the article, this is not all about money but more about the management renaging on previous deals.
Paris and Singapore both have automated underground lines, the DLR is automated most of the time. I understand what you're getting at and for above ground trains I agree. What I'd really like is a system that doesn't hold the commuting public in London hostage every year. Since this won't happen with the likes of the RMT I do think that an automated system with a conductor/guard on the train would be better than what we have.
 

Command_doh

LE
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#15
Fcuk them and their unreliable toy train set. They strike more than the French. And Bob Crowe needs a Baton round fired into his face from close range. I would break all rules of engagement to take that fcuker out...
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
#16
#17
The RMT local official (not Bob) admitted on LBC (James Whale show) that less than 40% voted at all. But it was democratic.

Add HK to the driverless train systems.
 
#18
Unknown_Quantity said:
Recce19 said:
Unknown_Quantity said:
I look forward to the day that the system is completely automated leaving only station staff, engineering staff and cleaners. Shame that it won't be any time soon though.
Yes, because an automated system can follow the emergency procedures that the driver does :roll: , If a train derails, who deals with the passengers or if a pass-comm is activated, who goes to see why, deal with it and any problems? Having been a train driver, I certainly would not feel safe in an automated system - especially when the software on the company's trains was Win 95 8O

If you read the article, this is not all about money but more about the management renaging on previous deals.
Paris and Singapore both have automated underground lines, the DLR is automated most of the time. I understand what you're getting at and for above ground trains I agree. What I'd really like is a system that doesn't hold the commuting public in London hostage every year. Since this won't happen with the likes of the RMT I do think that an automated system with a conductor/guard on the train would be better than what we have.
Fair enough UQ, still wouldn't really be comfortable on one though. TBH, I don't know too much about the underground systems, but the overground rail system would be a very scary thought 8O I suppose on the underground, as it's always within the city, emergency services are always within close proximity. Whereas overground routes are usually difficult to get to and a long way away from said services. Hence why the need for a driver as minimum staffing and a Rule Book that's about 3" thick!
 
#19
How many underground drivers are there? How many people would we have on the dole if we got driver-less trains? and how much would it cost to retrain all those without additional skill sets...?
 

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