RMR as aspirational model for the integrated TA?

Discussion in 'Army Reserve' started by Dr_Evil, Mar 21, 2013.

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  1. On another thread:

    Now, I already have a frock at the bottom of my bergen and so I see merit in this proposition.

    What is there to learn from the wise men of the senior service's boutique Army about the integration of regular and reserve? Specifically, how does the RM and RMR integrate in "training" (per the reservist definition, which includes normal in-barracks life as well as exercises) and on operations?

    Could the lessons be scaled up and reshaped to fit the TA? Might need trousers with a bigger waist ...

    What problems would it solve?

    What problems might it cause? In particular, from my own experience (anecdotal, obviously), it seems that RMR officers' deployment opportunities are more limited than those available to STAB wooperts, which if applied to the TA would make the UK-side drudgery of being an officer even less appealing.

    Finally, it is now nearly two years since the Future Reserves Commission published its report. Any gen on what the RMR has already done to implement its key recommendations would be ... er ... hoofing. Have I done that right? As a reminder, here are the recommendations:

  2. From what I've seen and known of the RMR, they tended to mobilise for full jobs - almost FTRS like - rather than specific tours. Obviously under HERRICK this changed somewhat, but I suspect it'll go back into that.

    The upshot was you had no idea who was RMR and who was RM. As an example, our Boarding Team's Sgt was a RMR RO Sgt. The lads didn't care, and there was certainly no 'rubber dagger' bollocks either. He'd mobilised for nearly 2 years, and was on his second trip.

    Secondly, there is not 'RMR' HQ - they come under the RN Reserves chain for (R) stuff, but are squarely and fully owned by CGRM for anything else.
  3. Ravers

    Ravers LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

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  4. Was talking recently with an RMR type about the way they get used. The main difference is that they are used individually, rather than "en masse" (sic) which is the way TA guys tend to deploy.

    It also seems clear that the notification period for a mobilisation seems to be much less than for TA, so RMR skill and fitness levels need to be higher than that which is usual across most TA units.

    To bring TA to that level would require increased budget in terms of MTDs and an obvious increase in fitness standards ( something I'm very much in favour of, and bleat on about constantly at my TAC.
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  5. Radio operator, Recce Operator? is this purely an RMR SQ/TQ or new to the Corps? Out of interest was he ex reg?
  6. I see it now, you mean he was a Sgt that at some stage it the past had been a Recce Operator = Sgt RO, Not From the "RO's branch". I didn't see it at first glance due to RO's normally going ML on passing JCC.

    I shall go and take my head for a shite now....:mrgreen:
  7. As in common with most teams from 43/FPGRM, the Sgt was a Cpl with his 3rd stripe for the trip. They (nearly) always pick-up afterwards. I'm not sure if he wanted to go and do his MLs course - there is no such thing as a RMR equivalent course, they just do the proper course.

    This is also why most RMR Officers don't act as Troop Commanders: they haven't done a full Troop Commander's course.
  8. Not an unusual situation.
    What is interesting to me, is a Cpl/ASgt with no SQ/TQ (a GD Cpl presuming he had done JCC and wasn't local, acting), with the demise of the GD branch within the RM, RMR would follow suit would they not?
    So RMR ranks will have to SQ/TQ when moving from Mne to Cpl, if not now then in the future? You also say "they (nearly) always pick up afterwards", on completion of SCC and a 1's course I presume?

    much of this thought process stems from "I'm not sure if he wanted to go and do his MLs course"? I'm now curious as to how much artistic licence there is within the RMR promotion and it's "seamless fit" into the RM.
  9. Fitness has to be inculcated into the unit - Barrow in Furness was not East London and so a trip out on a Bedford and run back to the TAC as a formed unit might be a difficult act to re-create in London over 5 miles but then the Reg MP Sgt who came over to Tulse Hill and gave us medicine ball football in resi.s... or the London Irish Sgt who ran with a 30lb pack everywhere...

    IMHO, it is up to the individual to be fit. The reserve forces need to be seen as a place to be and a place that society values - don.t get kicked out for being a slob.

    Fitness therefore is a personal thing and not one for MTDs.
  10. No idea. But on the basis ML2 or 1 is a 9 month course, I can't see many of them in the RMR, whereas a Sgt with a RO background would be ideal for the RMR. I suppose it depends what you want out of the RMR - for that you need to go ask CGRM!
  11. I dont see that many differences between 4 PARA and RMR, both have a good image, arduous courses broadly approximate to their reg counterparts (though not as tough as the real thing of course), and are well integrated with their regular oppos.

    Is it a model for the wider TA? Well, not in terms of trg and selection as the higher the standards and greater the difficulty of the initial training, the higher the wastage. We need warm bodies, DCLF does not want us to lose them in basic, so 14 min PFAs here to stay.

    I think the way they are integrated with the regulars has much going for it, but this is based on respect garnered from broadly eqivalent basic...your Royal and Royal (R) blokes can share dits about the bottom field, but the average regular is hardly going to react as well to Pte Stab gobbing off about the time in weekend 2 at Strensall when he had to live in the field for a Whole Night!!
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  12. msr

    msr LE

    Neither is the average TA soldier going to react as well as Pte Fucknuts meekly acquiescing to all the times when he was f**ked about from pillar to post and had to simply suck it up....
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  13. The_Duke

    The_Duke LE Moderator

    Which has absolutely the square root of F all to do with balancing standards, integration, future use models or anything meaningful.

    Pick your teddy up from the corner and try again.
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  14. How exactly is it Ideal?
    I thought you were CGRM :mrgreen:, my mistake, I should have guessed your not, due to your expansive knowledge/experience of the "shop floor" of Bootneck life.
  15. I thought the RMR was the Corps band. Live and learn, eh? I once saw them at a fete in Dundee and they made a beautiful job of an Abba medley.
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