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RMP sACked from Iraq Investigations

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Memory serves that the Deputy Provost Marshal was roundly rebuked for being more than mistruthful to a Court of Inquiry... The judge asked him not to be mistruthful if he appeared in front of said judge again over affairs in Iraq.

That was a disgusting moment in the history of the RMP, who I admit are caught between the sea and the devil but must maintain their integrity in all affairs.
 
#5
All SP now operate under AFA06 but these allegations are pre- so single service acts applied. The point is the Army investigating the Army, hence getting the dark blue in.
 
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Memory serves that the Deputy Provost Marshal was roundly rebuked for being more than mistruthful to a Court of Inquiry... The judge asked him not to be mistruthful if he appeared in front of said judge again over affairs in Iraq.

That was a disgusting moment in the history of the RMP, who I admit are caught between the sea and the devil but must maintain their integrity in all affairs.
Your second paragraph sort of cancels out the first.
 
#9
Noticed this over on Rum Ration and thought it had some relevance here. Not putting the Army's plod in a particularly good light.

Royal Military Police to be dropped from Iraq 'abuse' investigation - Home News - UK - The Independent

No doubt Biccies will have his take on this.
This is big news. If one of the rationale of the RMP is to police the Army, and the RMP has been deemed not independent enough to discharge that role, then surely the existence of the corps in its present guise must be questioned. I don't think this is about competence. It is a case of there being a lack of independence from the Army.
 
#10
This is big news. If one of the rationale of the RMP is to police the Army, and the RMP has been deemed not independent enough to discharge that role, then surely the existence of the corps in its present guise must be questioned. I don't think this is about competence. It is a case of there being a lack of independence from the Army.
Unfortunately the civilian police are no better - as Leveson has discovered!
 
#11
This is big news. If one of the rationale of the RMP is to police the Army, and the RMP has been deemed not independent enough to discharge that role, then surely the existence of the corps in its present guise must be questioned. I don't think this is about competence. It is a case of there being a lack of independence from the Army.

No it isn't. What is being said - quite correctly IMHO - is that if it is the Army that is being investigated then it shouldn't be the Armiy's own Police Force that investigates allegations of abuse by that Army. You know, just like major Political parties do when they are caught with their hand in the till.....
 
#12
This isn't news and had been made public some time ago but clearly hadn't been picked up by the press at the time. The reality is nothing will satisfy Phil Shiner and his team until the MoD take the blame for everything, and now a number of v experienced and independent investigators have been taken off the case in order to allow the RN to deal.

As for the logic that the RMP wouldn't be independent, it would have been SIB I have no doubt they would have taken great pleasure in ripping into the Army as they love a decent rubber heel job. Hence Phil Shiner has probably scored an own goal here in the long run.
 
#13
Memory serves that the Deputy Provost Marshal was roundly rebuked for being more than mistruthful to a Court of Inquiry... The judge asked him not to be mistruthful if he appeared in front of said judge again over affairs in Iraq.

That was a disgusting moment in the history of the RMP, who I admit are caught between the sea and the devil but must maintain their integrity in all affairs.
Maintain?

Delete 'Maintain their' insert 'Find some' - then you'd be closer to the mark.
 
#19
Your second paragraph sort of cancels out the first.
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I am afraid shuttling between Ostrava and Cumbria and back every week is taking its toll on me... ask History Man. I apologise for being even more of a numpty than usual.

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The Deputy Provost Marshal lied to a High Court Judge and was soundly rebuked for it; but he kept his job. However, Col Prosser then becomes involved in the case and makes the distinction that SIB and GDP are different types of units with GDP attached to Army units but SIB remote and therefore independent.
Public Interest Lawyers
The articles are interesting because there is the feeling that top MP management are trying to mislead... hence, having lost the trust of the judiciary, MP are to be replaced.

The point I was trying to make was that MP should be independent of other units and should operate with impartiality. That the Deputy Provost Marshal saw fit to be mistruthful to a a High Court Judge is shocking; however, I must leave it there. I was never imbedded with other Corps or Regiments of the Army and so can not comment on the effect it must have on the MP to remain impartial. It does raise a question that should a war crime be committed, how thorough would the attached MP be in his or her investigations. Afterall, he has gone through the same travails as the troops of the unit he is attached to.

That is a question that only other Arrsers with the experience could answer.

It does however generate a second question. In these times of contracting numbers and restricted budgets, should the forces police be amalgamated? Should a Carabinieri type unit be formed to undertake all duties across the three branches? Should Mod plod be subsumed within the grand scheme of things?

It would create a large organisation, take away a lot of top level jobs thus saving money, dilute the gene pool, allow people to specialise and hopefully create a large independent force that would not bend to dictat.

Having got to Cumbria yesterday and travelling back tomorrow, probably be best if I now shut up...

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