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RMP Officer Role

#1
I am currently serving as a Police Officer in Hampshire but am going to university in September. I am thinking about applying as an RMP Officer when I finsih but I do have a few questions. Firstly, what would an RMP Lieutenant do and be responsible for? Secondly, what are the promotion chances like and finally, do you think my experience as a Police Officer and also a degree (Politics) improve my chances of getting in?
I know that the merest mention of RMP on ARRSE gets a huge number of posts which ususally ends in a slagging match but I would love to hear from people in the know.
Thanks for your time and any answers.
 
#2
As a Pl Comd in any Cap Badge in the Army, you will be responsible for leading, training and managing around 28 soldiers.

When it comes to RMP, you will be responsible for your Pl's Caseload (so any civvie bill experience will be massivly helpful; you will also have credibility with your guys, having had previous experience), this ranges from a relatively light and straightforward caseload in some quiet Companys where the Civil Police investigate everything, to over 100 in a busy Germany based Company. When on Policing, you deal with how the Garrison is policed under the direction of your OC. This should switch every couple of months depending on the Company to Training, where you get your leave in and well, train (ranges, MATTs etc.).

In terms of getting out and about, I manage to get out on at least one patrol every couple of weeks, but try for more; but you can pick and choose, have worked 2 full shift cycles covering duty officer over Christmas and New Year. Some OC's expect it, some don't care. In my opionion it's the closest thing you get to leading the Pl other than Ops, and it's important for your guys to see you getting your hands dirty on arrests, it shows them that you understand your's and their job; and to be honest it's the best part of the job.
Getting into the Army, your experience will help as it shows that you've got the drive to get into one uniformed service and you've been doing something worthwhile. Once at Sandhurst, and you get to the Regimental selection board; whether your previous experience will help will be up to the PM(A) and his COS; I'm sure they'll take it into account.

So in short at times it's more or less the same as civvie bill, and at times completely different. We've been pulled into line with the civil police quite dramatically over the past couple of years (unfortunately so has the paperwork) so you will see some similarities. Unfortunately when it comes to an officer specialising, the LEs and NCOs have it sewn up; none of the police specialist courses or units are open to officers, you can go for Int Manager/Development, SIO, FLO, but only as a SIB Sect Comd (only the 1st is open to GPD (uniform) officers). There are rumours kicking about that this will change with the new PM, but I'm waiting out.
However you can go for CP which I would wholeheartedly recommend you do!

Any other questions give me a PM.
 
#3
I would advise popping into an army recruitment office. You should check that your age on graduating will be acceptable within the armys' rules for officer entry. The army website also has info on both joining and RMP.

Previous police experience is useful but will not give you a significant advantage over Direct Entry Officers who lack Police Experience. Predominantly as an Officer you are a manager more than a practitioner.

For some background try:

http://www.armyjobs.mod.uk/Pages/HomePage.aspx

Direct link to RMP Pl Comd:

http://www.armyjobs.mod.uk/jobs/pages/jobdetail.aspx?armyjobid=aof011&category=

Hope that helps.
 
#4
Thanks a lot for your answers, I will get on and do as much research as I can. Regarding the age limit the maximum DE age is 28 so I should be fine.
 
#5
How about doing AOSB before you go to University and perhaps getting a Bursary?

You could spend three years planning a course of your career only to find out you are not what the Army is looking for in an Officer. Not trying to put you off but a degree is not a guaranteed route to a commission.
 
#6
Your degree gets you seniority over non-grads so you get faster promotion and therefore more pay. Your police experience will help a lot but is not the be all and end all - RMP does both Ops and policing but you will learn Ops when you are in.

As a 2Lt and Lt you will be employed as a Pl Comd and, as already said you will run a Pl of about 28 on both Ops and policing with a SSgt supporting you. If you are a grad as you say, you will be promoted to Capt very quick when you will leave policing for the majority of the rest of your career - Ops Officer roles, 2IC admin roles, then as a Major you will get 2 more years as an OC running police work before you go off to Ops roles again or staff posts. If you are lucky enough, as a Lt Col you may get 1 RMP in Germany where again you kind of get involved in policing.

As Ninja Turtle says, you get out on the 'odd' patrol so you can hardly call it active policing, that is more so you can see what your boys and girls do rather than you actually police. You are not employed as a YO in RMP to police. The life of a RMP Officer is either Ops or staff posts I am afraid, we leave the policing to SNCOs/WOs and occasionally Late Entry Officers.

It is good though
 
#7
Ninja_Turtle said:
...........you can go for Int Manager/Development, SIO, FLO, but only as a SIB Sect Comd (only the 1st is open to GPD (uniform) officers). There are rumours kicking about that this will change with the new PM, but I'm waiting out.
I believe this PM wants to keep his job so I wouldn't hold my breath on these 'rumours' you have heard
 
#9
western said:
Does every RMP Pln now have an Officer as Pln Cmdr?
Yes - 2Lt/Lt is the Pl Comd and SSgt is Pl 2IC. In reality the Pl Comd is in name only as they are there to learn off their SSgt. One or two actually do learn something occasionally.
 
#12
Oh how very droll, it's not a state secret that RMP is probably the most officered part of an over managed Army. So in your little world no Lts hold positions other that Pln Cmdrs, no postings, no courses or anything else, only being released once they are Captains.

This is yet another one of those jokes that the modern day RMP has produced, more jobs for the boys. So why a SSgt as 2IC? The rest of the Army has 1 Pln/Tp Sgt to one Officer Pln Cmdr. RMP has what three to four Sgts and a SSgt for each understrength Pln and once deployed they are all commanded by other units with which they are embedded.

Boy I can see some cost saving measures there.

Good example here 150 Pro Coy HQ and Catterick Det circa 1978. Lets see how many officers? Two, one Regular Maj and a QM Commission Captain, more than enough.
http://www.redcap70.net/150.html/slides/NormanHorton1.html
 
#13
My former RMP OC, now a respected radio broadcaster, himself described RMP officers as “purely decorative” and acknowledged that the SSgt’s really run the show. That said I have never met an RMP officer who was anything less than a perfect gentleman in every sense of the word. No names of course, but anyone who served with 156 or 253(V) Pro Coys in the 1980s will immediately recognise Roy * as an example of a true professional and an all-round Bloody Good Bloke. For the benefit of the OP I must add that any opinion that I may offer is obsolete by about a quarter of a century, but maybe some things don’t change too much.
 
#14
Schhhhhwing that lamp! Times have changed since 1978 Western!
True, platoons are split on ops at the moment but you will find that a lot of our Pl Comds double up as BG liaison officers and/or at other strategic locations or conduct SO3 positions within Afghan National Police training programmes or within SSR cells. There is also a steady increase in the number of Lts deployed on close protection tours - overall, to say that they are 'underemployed' is a bit OTT.
RMP offrs are also increasingly being employed outside of RMP at E2 in positions such as ADCs as our offrs possess skill sets attributible to dealing with police work - producing concise briefs to tight timelines under pressure for example, which obviously cross over well to the ADC world.
 
#15
Not swinging the lamp at all.

Your post makes my point for me they are so under employed they are being found jobs to keep them occupied.

As others have already posted, police work skills are not the domain of RMP officers so that it just creative marketing.

RMP officers do not lead or command at any level.
 
#16
western said:
RMP officers do not lead or command at any level.
To be fair to both of the officers to whom I referred above I must say that although they (by their own admission in one case) overtly contributed little to operations they certainly "inspired". That may say more about the particular individuals than about the job, but the point needs to be made.
 
#18
western said:
Your post makes my point for me they are so under employed they are being found jobs to keep them occupied.
If you recall, in your day we never saw RMP Offrs until they were Capts. They would join RMP and go off to various Inf units and were employed as Inf Pl Comds for two years, get their Capt then come back.

It was the ex-PM who had the bright idea to employ them with us as Pl Comds to give them a grounding in managing RMP rather than Inf and give them a background of managing casefiles rather than pure military skills.

Whether this makes them better offrs is questionable but the thought process makes sense.
 
#19
Is it just me or has Western lost it, he certainly doesn't have a grasp of what happens in the real RMP world (in this century anyway), what a sorry man.....it isn't RMP in the 60s anymore you know!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#20
A commission in RMP (in whatever role) can be hugely rewarding and previous experience in a civilian force together with your degree will stand you in good stead. Be aware that Provost officers’ duties are much wider and far more demanding than their civilian counterparts.

For what it’s worth I think you should take yourself to one of the local units and meet the Officer Commanding and his officers. Possibly and since it’s near at hand, arrange a visit to HQ PM(A). From my experience they’d be delighted to make time to see you and give you the information you seek. At the same time they can cast an eye over you. It’s the old adage: ‘Time spent in reconnaissance is never wasted.’ If nothing else you’ll get a decent lunch!

In any event it’s what you can add to the Corps that matters. Any damn fool can sit on their thumbs and waste time here; if you really want the challenge of leading the Army’s best get on with it - and sooner rather than later.

No doubt someone here will give you the relevant phone numbers.

Good luck and I wish you well.
 

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