RMP & DUTY FREE. Are they allowed to do this?

#1
Question?

Can the RMP Stop you from taking Cigs back to the UK?

I watched as the RMP made sure that no one smuggled a few extra cigs/baccy back to the UK. Some even had to throw them in the bin. I'm not talking thousands here just the odd 200.
If you go back the UK you have two choices, red or green channel, where you can declare the goods and pay a fee of IIRC @16.5% and £167.41 per thousand, which still makes them cheaper than current UK prices.
However the RMP are not allowing you this option.
Does anyone know where the lads legally stand?
 
#2
They are exceeding their authority. That's because they are coppers, and c*nts to boot. However, unless an officer is man enough to grip one of them, they'll keep on exceeding their authority, because they're c*nts.

Amazing the difference between German and Brit police; Germans enforce laws to the letter and no more. British police (both Mil & civ) do whatever they feel they can get away with, and then wonder why everyone hates them. There was even a filth on one of those TV programs actually stole a pen-knife from the boot of a car he stopped and searched.
 
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EScotia

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#3
Question?

Can the RMP Stop you from taking Cigs back to the UK?

I watched as the RMP made sure that no one smuggled a few extra cigs/baccy back to the UK. Some even had to throw them in the bin. I'm not talking thousands here just the odd 200.
If you go back the UK you have two choices, red or green channel, where you can declare the goods and pay a fee of IIRC @16.5% and £167.41 per thousand, which still makes them cheaper than current UK prices.
However the RMP are not allowing you this option.
Does anyone know where the lads legally stand?
It depends on where you are coming back to the UK from. If it's OP Herrick then they are.
 
#4
What about the current HMRC ruling of "unlimited tobacco and alcohol if its for personal use" for Duty Free imported by UK subjects? Doesn't the Army have to follow normal UK Law, or is there a special legislation? Just asking.
 
#5
As long as you can reasonably show it is genuinely for personal use, then the HMRC can't stop you importing duty-paid tobacco. I remain to be convinced the RMP have any excess lawful authority in this area.
 
#6
They are exceeding their authority. That's because they are coppers, and c*nts to boot. However, unless an officer is man enough to grip one of them, they'll keep on exceeding their authority, because they're c*nts.

Amazing the difference between German and Brit police; Germans enforce laws to the letter and no more. British police (both Mil & civ) do whatever they feel they can get away with, and then wonder why everyone hates them. There was even a filth on one of those TV programs actually stole a pen-knife from the boot of a car he stopped and searched.
What time does your career arrive old_nis?? When they do get them to check in your cupboard for the evil police who're after you!!
 
#7
What about the current HMRC ruling of "unlimited tobacco and alcohol if its for personal use" for Duty Free imported by UK subjects? Doesn't the Army have to follow normal UK Law, or is there a special legislation? Just asking.
Thats a mixture of 'duty free' and 'duty paid'

Tax paid in the EU for personal use or as a gify with no reimbursement/expenses = 'unlimited' (Depending on if they believe you, and you aren't getting your whole years worth of smoking every week)

From outside of the EU, then duty free allowances apply


HM Revenue & Customs: Tax and duty on goods brought to the UK from the European Union

HM Revenue & Customs: Tax and duty on goods brought to the UK from outside the European Union
 
#9
What time does your career arrive old_nis?? When they do get them to check in your cupboard for the evil police who're after you!!
No, he's right enough, I saw that as well. The lad they stopped was a bit of a gobby pain, so they searched his car just to show him, and found a Leatherman in the boot. The copper announced (wrongly) that this was a Prohibited Weapon, and gave the lad a choice of handing it over or being prosecuted. Then he trousered it.

Abuse of position and outright theft.
 
#10
Can the RMP Stop you from taking Cigs back to the UK?

I watched as the RMP made sure that no one smuggled a few extra cigs/baccy back to the UK. Some even had to throw them in the bin. I'm not talking thousands here just the odd 200.
Who got to rummage through the bin first, once the troops had departed? RMP was it, perchance?
 
#11
No, he's right enough, I saw that as well. The lad they stopped was a bit of a gobby pain, so they searched his car just to show him, and found a Leatherman in the boot. The copper announced (wrongly) that this was a Prohibited Weapon, and gave the lad a choice of handing it over or being prosecuted. Then he trousered it.

Abuse of position and outright theft.
I'm not going to bother going through the Law as you can read that for yourself on tinterweb or just trawl through the thousands of posts on ARRSE as this kind of question has been talked about loads of times.

One question though, if the Copper stole his knife in front of the camera with millions of witnesses why didn't he complain and the copper get found guilty of theft?

Shouldn't get in the way of a good dit thought should it!
 
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EScotia

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#12
As long as you can reasonably show it is genuinely for personal use, then the HMRC can't stop you importing duty-paid tobacco. I remain to be convinced the RMP have any excess lawful authority in this area.
Op Plunder applies if you are flying back from Op Herrick or a military exercise in a foreign country.
 
#13
I'm not going to bother going through the Law as you can read that for yourself on tinterweb or just trawl through the thousands of posts on ARRSE as this kind of question has been talked about loads of times.

One question though, if the Copper stole his knife in front of the camera with millions of witnesses why didn't he complain and the copper get found guilty of theft?

Shouldn't get in the way of a good dit thought should it!
One of the posters on here, Marco Poloroid I think it was, a good bloke or any rate appears to be, once announced that he himself believed all locking-blade knives are prohibited in all circs, and would confiscate them even from an angler's kitbox. He got awfully upset when it was pointed out that was in effect theft, in the end he looked up the law and admitted his error.

If coppers don't know the law they're enforcing, how will some youth know enough to put in a complaint. In any case, given his experience of the police, why would he think a complaint would even be acted on?
 

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#14
PF, you may be certain that every complaint against the police will be investigated and acted upon...............

provided the actions show the senior (decision making) officer in a good light!
 
#15
One of the posters on here, Marco Poloroid I think it was, a good bloke or any rate appears to be, once announced that he himself believed all locking-blade knives are prohibited in all circs, and would confiscate them even from an angler's kitbox. He got awfully upset when it was pointed out that was in effect theft, in the end he looked up the law and admitted his error.

If coppers don't know the law they're enforcing, how will some youth know enough to put in a complaint. In any case, given his experience of the police, why would he think a complaint would even be acted on?
Not in all crics at all. Did he have lawful reason to posses that knife? (Remember i didn't actually see the program) if he was an angler then he had lawful reason but just to have it in your car isn't. The law uses the example "if he's a carpet layer" then that's reasonable but if he a carpet layer but its Saturday and he's not at work then it's not reasonable.

Anyway you haven't answered my question. Why didn't he complain and the copper gets done for theft??

P.s marco Poloroid's an Ass.
 
#16
A multitool in the boot of his car? Vehicle maintainance. Or is the wheelbrace an offensive weapon as well? If he'd had the thing in his pocket then the plod may have had a point, but in the boot? Balls.

As I said, perhaps he believed the copper when he claimed to be acting lawfully. And maybe he didn't trust the police to follow up a complaint, or assumed that they'd harass him even more if he made one. Looking at the way the plod was running interference on behalf of Jimmy Savile for decades, I wouldn't trust them under any circumstances.
 
#17
One of the posters on here, Marco Poloroid I think it was, a good bloke or any rate appears to be, once announced that he himself believed all locking-blade knives are prohibited in all circs, and would confiscate them even from an angler's kitbox. He got awfully upset when it was pointed out that was in effect theft, in the end he looked up the law and admitted his error.

If coppers don't know the law they're enforcing, how will some youth know enough to put in a complaint. In any case, given his experience of the police, why would he think a complaint would even be acted on?
Only time I've ever had any grief over the lock knife was CIV plod on the gate during Farnborough. He got a right wobble on and puffed himself to his full magnificence, illegal weapon yadayadayada.... MOD plod Sgt deflated him and told him to give it back.
 
#18
A multitool in the boot of his car? Vehicle maintainance. Or is the wheelbrace an offensive weapon as well? If he'd had the thing in his pocket then the plod may have had a point, but in the boot? Balls.

As I said, perhaps he believed the copper when he claimed to be acting lawfully. And maybe he didn't trust the police to follow up a complaint, or assumed that they'd harass him even more if he made one. Looking at the way the plod was running interference on behalf of Jimmy Savile for decades, I wouldn't trust them under any circumstances.
And therein lays the problem. Regardless of the actions any copper takes you'll always argue it. Luckily you're in the minority of the general public in this country who believe that.

When it comes to the knife in the boot don't have a pop at me have a pop at the Law.

Nice to see how you managed to splice Savile in to this conversation and how all coppers helped him perpetrate these crimes!! You and old_nis should live together so you can clear the cupboard as a team!!

just another anti police thread.
 
#19
So why were the RMP searching soldier's kits prior to returning to UK? There has to be another reason - drugs perhaps? Been 30 years since I left the Army though I can't remember the RMP acting as Customs Officers at military air terminals. Sure they weren't providing security and instructing those with opened cigarette packs in their carry on baggage to chuck them in the bin?
A haul of only 200 cigarettes from a plane load of Squaddies would, perhaps, suggest that.
Seems to be an awful lot of outrage over 200 tabs. Sure you weren't mouthing off to the Monkeys and got your arse felt, sunshine?
 
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