RMP CP Course

#4
The Staff Divers Course is a driving course, not a CP course. As a matter of interest (well for me anyway) the last driving course I undertook (last year) was called "Driver Training for Witness Protection". It was run by the Bundeskriminalamt. Althought the skills were highly revelent in the CP world, it is a driving course, including both defensive and offensive use of the vehicle - great fun with loads of practical exercises at high speed on and off the public roads in Germany.
 
#5
Inf/MP said:
.... As a matter of interest (well for me anyway) the last driving course I undertook (last year) was called "Driver Training for Witness Protection". It was run by the Bundeskriminalamt............
What happened to the RMP(G) Driving School ?
 
#6
No idea if the RMP(G) Driving School is still there. I left the RMP about 11 years ago. In my current job, we try to do a refresher course each year (when funds allow i.e. not very often). So far we have used both the BKA in Germany and the Koninklijke Marechaussee in The Netherlands. For us it really depends on what sort of deal we can get out of them. With the Dutch we got it for free as a one off, with the Germans we only had to pay for fuel as we joined in a regularly scheduled course for their own people.
 
#7
I was asked by one of my lads in the platoon whether they could get on a CP course. G3 Clerk spoke to CP course chief and it was a big no. Only RMP can attend.
 
#8
I have never heard of anyone outside of RMP attending from the Army. I do believe that in the past some RM Police have done it and possibly 1 matelot. I do know an ex-Rock Ape who claims to have done it, but he does not know where L.... House is.

Not something I ever fancied myself.
 
#9
Why would anyone want to sit around outside locked doors anyway, I ve seen the AAC doing it and they must be on better pay?
 
#10
Inf/MP said:
I have never heard of anyone outside of RMP attending from the Army. I do believe that in the past some RM Police have done it and possibly 1 matelot. I do know an ex-Rock Ape who claims to have done it, but he does not know where L.... House is.

Not something I ever fancied myself.
Pleanty of RCT\RLC have attended. the old staff car units, 20 Sqn RCT, 14 Sqn RCT, 68 Sqn RCT (and RLC) were all loaded with guys who had attended the course. These units provided the drivers for the Corps commander, CinC BAOR, MGRA and many, many other big knobs. A simple staff car course does not cover the required skills here. An old friend of mine was driving CinC Land several years ago and he'd done the course many years prevoisly.
 
#11
Speedy said:
Inf/MP said:
I have never heard of anyone outside of RMP attending from the Army. I do believe that in the past some RM Police have done it and possibly 1 matelot. I do know an ex-Rock Ape who claims to have done it, but he does not know where L.... House is.

Not something I ever fancied myself.
Pleanty of RCT\RLC have attended. the old staff car units, 20 Sqn RCT, 14 Sqn RCT, 68 Sqn RCT (and RLC) were all loaded with guys who had attended the course. These units provided the drivers for the Corps commander, CinC BAOR, MGRA and many, many other big knobs. A simple staff car course does not cover the required skills here. An old friend of mine was driving CinC Land several years ago and he'd done the course many years prevoisly.
In addition to the Staff Car Driver courses, as run by the Defence School of Transport, the RMP also run a specialist driving course for those personnel (normally RLC) who drive the really big wigs. It is entirely separate from the RMP CP course, but the training involves understanding the driver's role within a "CP Team". Anyone who tells you they have done the RMP CP course (that is not RMP) is either:

A) Confusing the issue between the CP course and the Driving course; or
B) A complete WALT!

Ghost
 
#12
I am going back a number of years here (17). They definately did the CP course of that I'm pretty sure.
 
#13
RM police tp,based at Stonehouse,Plymouth,certainly had men on CP courses,16-18 years ago_One of their tasks was Beruit(embassy)
 
#14
Confusing the issue between the CP course and the Driving course
Gotta agree I have worked with the RMP CP Team (G) and never heard of any but RMP attending. I also worked earlier in my career with a Maj M (LE offr who later became parly paralysed after a stroke - pity he was a good bloke) who had, as a WO1, been one of the Instrs for those staff car drivers who were earmarked to drive the VIPs. During various conversations with him he never once stated that this training was CP merely advanced driver training techniques. Obviously there are some things taught which RMP CP cses also teach but that doesn't make it the same.
 
#15
The trg unit do not like others attending but if there is a pressing need for someone to do it you can circumvent the OC and get people on the course. Had to do that once for someone. The trainers were not happy but were told to put up and shut up. Thing is it is a pension club for the RMP. They do not want others to get the same qual.
 
#16
One thing is (pretty much) for sure. If RMP opened up the CP Course to other cap badges, I think you would find a lot of RMP JNCO's transferring out of the illustrious capbadge and doing the Course within another branch. The fact that the JNCO's do shift work, have a mountain of both paperwork and legislation to sift through with any casefile they undertake and are on a lower payband than other soldiers does not help morale at the best of times, but to see other capbadges sending guys on the CP course would, I feel, be the straw to break the camels back. It's a well known fact that CP is a big recruiting tool for the RMP and to lose it to other capbadges would, I believe, have a very damaging effect on recriutment. Any other thoughts on this issue?

I have seen so many guys transfer from other cap bades into RMP and not a single one has transferred to join the SIB (and, to be honest, very few actually say they want to do the police work). A good 90% join purely to have a crack at the CP Course and try to stick on that route. I have also seen at least 3 VT's subsequently leave RMP because they have been turned down for the CP course for various reasons. VT's, you need to understand this: In the RMP, there is more to life than just CP. If all you want to do is the CP course and try and bypass police work and RMP Ops IT WON'T HAPPEN.

I am, personally, a big fan of CP and would recommend the course to RMP NCO's as it definitely gives you a wider appreciation of operations, certainly enhances your confidence and hones vital military skills, but I get REALLY cheesed off when people join just for CP. Police work is our bread and butter. CP is merely a jam layer to spread on top of it (Hmmm, might use that again sometime!)
 
#17
Don't quote me on this one but i'm sure some onewil correct me if i am wrong.

The APTS Aldershot run a Public order and protection course. This I think is for all arms and is very much like a CP course.

If you are intending to do a CP course with the view to leaving and doing CP, two points.

1. Make sre you have a job that you can go straight to...
2. CP courses are not that expensive on the out side and if you are going to do CP, it will pay off very quickly in all ways.
 
#18
hurryupandwait said:
A good 90% join purely to have a crack at the CP Course and try to stick on that route.
Complete bollox. You stats are less accurate than Sir Tony B Lair. Most VT's I knew just wanted to get out of their trade and try something new. And I knew a hell of a lot of them that joined the SIB too. So stop talking out of yer arrse. CP is a very tiny proportion of the RMP and they get more credit than they deserve. Remember the pig killing and other jollies?
 
#19
Why not get out and do a civvy CP course like I did (Phoenix). You get paid lots of money and don't have to stag on. We have a few guys on my Team who have done the RMP CP course and although they have done lots of CP in the military we all do the same job and get paid the same. We even have guys who have no formal quals at all but still do the job. Private security companies are desperate to employ anyone just to keep contracts going.
 
#20
afghanman said:
Why not get out and do a civvy CP course like I did (Phoenix). You get paid lots of money and don't have to stag on. We have a few guys on my Team who have done the RMP CP course and although they have done lots of CP in the military we all do the same job and get paid the same. We even have guys who have no formal quals at all but still do the job. Private security companies are desperate to employ anyone just to keep contracts going.

Until recently PMC's would not touch anyone unless they had done a recognised course (RMP etc) I met a guy exREME did one of those private courses and could not get any work, rejoined and surprise surprise joined the RMP... I believe he never did the course in the end.


To be honest I think the course is its own best publicist, and IMHO I dont think it is as flash as it is cracked up to be. I have met some good guys who have done the course and some real pre madonnas/posers. I believe now applicants can apply while still a Lcpl.

IMHO of course
 
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