RMP/ CNC/ModPlod or Civilian?

Friends daughter just graduated with a BA(Hons) 1st in Criminology and is thinking of a career as a Police Officer.
But she is unsure if being in the RMP as an Officer would give her a hands on role?

She has looked at CNC & ModPlod and Civil Police as she is interested in the Accelerated Promotion after 2 years in CivilPlod? No qualms about carrying a weapon and she is very bright, caring, enjoys fitness and is looking for a varied career within the Police

Any advice or ways for her to move forward.
 
Friends daughter just graduated with a BA(Hons) 1st in Criminology and is thinking of a career as a Police Officer.
But she is unsure if being in the RMP as an Officer would give her a hands on role?

She has looked at CNC & ModPlod and Civil Police as she is interested in the Accelerated Promotion after 2 years in CivilPlod? No qualms about carrying a weapon and she is very bright, caring, enjoys fitness and is looking for a varied career within the Police

Any advice or ways for her to move forward.
I would ask her what she wants to do. If she wants to be a Police Officer then I would say join the police; Home Office, not MDP nor CNC, a proper dyed in the wool County Constabulary (or the Met). I would also highly recommend the NCA as its interesting, varied and involves a lot of travelling, and you deal with some proper villains. I enjoyed my time there immensely.

Where I would bring my point regarding the Army in, is if she wants something a little extra/different then join the Army.

@Toppet is correct, the role isn't hands on, but as soon as she becomes a PS/DS, Insp/DI then its the same detail, supervisory and management. I've been about as hands on as you can be as an Officer in the RMP and I still spend the majority of my time behind a desk typing shit into Excel (but then again all officers do that at some point regardless of what you see on the adverts).
The role of the RMP is interesting and varied, with a military spin on policing, and its the military, austere spin on it that I enjoy - and its this primarily that brought me back to the RMP from NCA.
Spinning a bit of a dit as an example - in the firm base you can secure a crime scene for as long as you need (within reason), in Afghan I was dealing with an en firing pointwith multiple en and weapon systems only to then be told the apache is about to run out of fuel and RTB. Nothing quite focuses the mind and makes you prioritise actions than the threat of enemy action. To deal with that sort of thing you need to be pretty au fait with police procedure to know what to bin, what needs to be done there and then, and what can be done back at the PB (and then justify your decision in your notebook when you get back).

In short if she's got her heart set on locking people up and helping her community, join the Police.
If she want's to travel the world, earn more, be treated like a grown up, have the privilege of commanding soldiers, and live with like minded people then join the Army as RMP.

Or best of both worlds, join the army while she's young and fit, do a few years and join the police as PC or DE Insp. Speaking to colleagues and friends in the NCA about my days as a young officer they all seemed quite jealous of what we used to get up to and the stories of BFG - they all said they'd wished they'd done it. Plus she'll be joining a huge cohort of ex servicemen/women who follow the natural path into the Police post military service.

A bit of a ramble, but PM me if you want anything specific answered.
 
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Will pass this on to her thanks.
She is currently looking at MPS but the NCA might be an option.
 
What he said.

Second time around I was a special constable but, I still had eyes and ears and observed the capabilities of those around me. If she is joining as a graduate, is good at passing exams and is of a personable character then she should have no problems either finding interesting employment or advancing her career as a civvy copper.

If she wants to get some sound management and leadership experience to help her move onwards and upwards as a civvy copper then she may want to consider joining the Reserves with a commission. I was approached by the RAF when they were expanding the RAF Police Reserves and were in the throes of creating a new unit. Yes, yes, RAF but, I went along, chatted, listened and the role was quite interesting. So that may be a parallel opportunity/pathway she might consider along with a CivPol / NCA career.

Avoid CNC and MoD Plod.
 
Friends daughter just graduated with a BA(Hons) 1st in Criminology and is thinking of a career as a Police Officer.
But she is unsure if being in the RMP as an Officer would give her a hands on role?

She has looked at CNC & ModPlod and Civil Police as she is interested in the Accelerated Promotion after 2 years in CivilPlod? No qualms about carrying a weapon and she is very bright, caring, enjoys fitness and is looking for a varied career within the Police

Any advice or ways for her to move forward.
ModPlod is mostly stagging on.
Civplod seems a thankless task.

As well as civplod I did a lot of work with CNC (when they were UKAEA), it sounded the more interesting role and they certainly seemed happier than their civplod counterparts.
 
I've worked with NCA Officers in some genuinely tasty areas of the world, and their work seemed fascinating.

I know one Home Office copper, and his life seems to be a relief valve for failings in the mental health and welfare policy failures.
 

Daxx

MIA
Book Reviewer
With PMBJ's intention of 20k new Polis, there's likely to be a serious supervisor gap. There may well be fast track opportunities for bright young things.
 

Green_Homer

War Hero
As I've said on other threads - if you want policing in the proper sense don't join ModPol. Certainly a sizeable amount of the younger lot who join soon get bored. That said more and more Home Office officers are transferring across to us with increasingly shorter length in service after getting burnt out.

CNC - From speaking to friends and family who have gone that way, they are leaving to come to ModPol!!
 
Get her to look at the Canadian Mounties.
 

Buddy!

Old-Salt
Unpopular opinion at times, but let's face it - Fraud departments aside, MDP and CNC only exist because Armed Security isn't permitted in mainland UK. Millions could be saved by merging the two with BTP which I believe is in the pipeline... Somewhere far away, much like the completion of the HS2 disaster.

Verdict: Don't join unless you want to be stagging on pretending to be a copper, or a manager of those pretending to be coppers on abysmal pay.
 
MDP is an armed guard force as stated. CNC much the same. Both have very specialised units within them but getting into them will be hard, Dead-men's-shoes. As for CivPol (Home Office), the accelerated promotion scheme is there for the very exceptional officer. Having a good degree and being intelligent is not enough. You have to be exceptional at the job. If she wants hands on then she won't get it on the fast track. It'll be two years of probation, then up the pole into political positions. Getting into ANY specialisation in the police is difficult. For every vacancy in CID there are many applicant. I'm still waiting for my attachment to CID (designed as a taster for both sides) - supposed to be done in the first year out of training and now 2 years late. Also, wanting to get into the job to get promoted is not likely to succeed. You need to want to join because you want to do the job. The career structure is now 35 years, so unless you do get onto the fast track then don't expect anything to happen for at least 5 years.

Maybe have a look at Security Service or NCA. I know folk in both who get great satisfaction from their job. NCA is also good because they attach to 'other Government departments' quite often.
 

Guns

ADC
Moderator
Book Reviewer
I would promote the Security Services as a good option. Different work to policing but similar mindsets and techniques. Chance for overseas travel or better still secondment. Very female friendly, having worked with them and now know a fair few of them they are a good employer.
 

Green_Homer

War Hero
MDP is an armed guard force as stated. CNC much the same. Both have very specialised units within them but getting into them will be hard, Dead-men's-shoes.
MDP are currently recruiting direct into the SEG at Aldermaston and recently recruited direct for the marine unit at Portsmouth, both pending successfully completing the extra training.

That said I'll continue to agree it's not policing in the traditional sense and would discourage anyone of that's what you want.



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Green_Homer

War Hero
Verdict: Don't join unless you want to be stagging on pretending to be a copper, or a manager of those pretending to be coppers on abysmal pay.
The transferrees from the home office are actually taking home more money each month due to the 5.45% pension contributions versus 13%(?) in HO! Agree the pay for the first few years is crap but that's the same across all forces

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Genuine question to the Police Officers on here:
What would be your advice if CrustyRusty'd friends daughter asked you for advice about joining the City of London Police, as opposed to Met?
 
Thought I'd jump in on this thread guys. Just passed all my assessments and interviews for joining the MDP. Currently a serving Sailor in the Royal Navy. I know the paycut is huge I will drop from about 35k down to 22k which I'm prepared for. Likely to be based in Faslane or Coulport and was wondering what the opportunities are like for over time if anyone here works at either site or knows of anyone who does. Thanks in advance for any information.
 
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