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RM and Germany

#1
Wasn't sure where to put this,so if it's in the wrong forum please move,anyway I have a mate who is ex RM,he

is gen so no worries on that score, we got chatting the other week about postings and places visited whilst

he was in,he mentioned the usual,NI,Norway the US etc and a few ships he was drafted to,anyway I asked

him maybe naively I don't know,if he had ever served in Germany,he cast me a look as if I was a total fuckwit

and replied that RM were banned from having a permanent presence in Germany,due to something that

supposedly happened at the end of the second world war he didn't elaborate on what it was.Can anybody

shed any light on this as I must admit I'd never heard of it before.
 
#2
I heard this one, don't know if true but the gen dit buzz was that RM are classed as Storm Troopers and thus were not allowed in Germany.

It sounds complete bollox though.

However I am pretty sure that when my brother was training the Corps NECIC team, they either were not allowed to attend the previous year or they had to billet just over the border in Holland for this reason. Memory is a bit hazy but it was something along these lines.
 
#9
I've heard the same thing about RM not allowed a permanent base in Germany, something to do with an agreement signed in 1945 but don't know how much truth there was in it.
When I was in Munster with KRH, we had a RM Sgt attached as an armourer, he also deployed to Macedonia and Kosovo on Op Agricola with the KRH Battlegroup.
 
#10
I've heard the same thing about RM not allowed a permanent base in Germany, something to do with an agreement signed in 1945 but don't know how much truth there was in it.
When I was in Munster with KRH, we had a RM Sgt attached as an armourer, he also deployed to Macedonia and Kosovo on Op Agricola with the KRH Battlegroup.
Cheers for that,I had a look at the link supplied,it does mention the odd Instructor and the odd RM here and there but I was talking about a formed unit like a full Commando or even a Coy,which there doesn't seem to be,so I am going to take it my mucker was right.
 
#11
No. BAOR = armoured and Army. RM = unarmoured and Naval Infantry. What role would they have had? Rather a waste of amphibious/mountain/arctic skills and it's not as if there was a spare Cdo or two to deploy out of theatre.

BFG was an Army/RAF jobbie, with almost no Naval involvement, though an old German running mate of mine (born in about 1920 in Cottbus) had spent the war with the Kriegsmarine. He spent 1946 on his ship, German crew with RN officers, dumping Hitler's entirely unused chemical weapons into the Baltic Sea. He always said the RN officers treated him and his shipmates 'sehr korrekt'.
 
#12
No. BAOR = armoured and Army. RM = unarmoured and Naval Infantry. What role would they have had? Rather a waste of amphibious/mountain/arctic skills and it's not as if there was a spare Cdo or two to deploy out of theatre.

BFG was an Army/RAF jobbie, with almost no Naval involvement, though an old German running mate of mine (born in about 1920 in Cottbus) had spent the war with the Kriegsmarine. He spent 1946 on his ship, German crew with RN officers, dumping Hitler's entirely unused chemical weapons into the Baltic Sea. He always said the RN officers treated him and his shipmates 'sehr korrekt'.
I hear what you are saying BL and this is not a dig by any stretch but do you think it really was that simple?
 

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#14
I've heard the same thing about RM not allowed a permanent base in Germany, something to do with an agreement signed in 1945 but don't know how much truth there was in it.
When I was in Munster with KRH, we had a RM Sgt attached as an armourer, he also deployed to Macedonia and Kosovo on Op Agricola with the KRH Battlegroup.
The only things being agreed with Germany in 1945 were unconditional surrenders.
 
#16
The SBS (5 SBS I think) had a permanent presence in Germany, something to do with the Rhine and why would any self respecting Bootneck want to go stirring Percy's porridge when they had all the the lovely Norwegian lasses?

Dont forget Royal was fairly busy after WW2 with the retreat from empire stuff going on, as was the Army but the Army had more Infantry Battalions to play with, I've heard the "Stormtrooper" stories, they were taken as gospel when I was in but I suspect the truth is a bit more mundane. Probably happened because the Army was searching for a role post WW2 and fucked Royal off in an attempt by some General to build his own little empire in Germany and safeguard a few infantry battalions from the chop.
 
#18
I have never seen that other thread before, but I know of an incident in which the royals offed some jerry POWs, so there may be some credence in that tale.

On D-Day, my uncle was in one of the RM commandos and went ashore in the big rush. Just off the beach the marines took a hatful of german prisoners, who had surrendered under a white flag, and were searching them. One of the prisoners pulled a knife and stuck it into my uncle's platoon(?) sgt, killing him. The commandos (including my uncle) were so fucked off with this that they took the rest of the prisoners into the sand dunes and killed them.

No elaboration, no gloating, no pride, no embarassment and no guilt; that was how he told the story. They killed our sgt, so we killed them.
 
#19
In that case, I see some mileage in a politick British decision to avoid unnecessary aggravation, but it would rather be like not allowing the RAF to be based in Germany after destroying Luebeck or Dresden in a fire-storm. The more mundane lack of a role for dismounted naval infantry on the North German plain still seems eminently sensible.
 
#20
In that case, I see some mileage in a politick British decision to avoid unnecessary aggravation, but it would rather be like not allowing the RAF to be based in Germany after destroying Luebeck or Dresden in a fire-storm. The more mundane lack of a role for dismounted naval infantry on the North German plain still seems eminently sensible.
I think your extremely good point about the RAF kinda puts the lid on that myth.
 

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